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Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 20:34
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james saunders wrote:
Good points Jack but disagree with the starting maidens comment.Most of these non tab goat tracks are hardly more safe that the sand tab goat tracks.More one turners for young dogs in my experience than let them learn there trade before subjecting them to break a leg at the first two turners.Chris getting back to your working comment if there was to be at least two tracks in each racing hub one could be day time one would be nite and alternated to accommodate for all.Really hope they don't putthe cleaners thru too many tracks because you can bet your left ....they will get it wrong and leave us stuffed going forward.
Good point James. Hubs racing twice/thrice a week in alternate timeslots should accomodate most.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 17 Dec 2015 20:52
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Chris van Vegchel wrote:
james saunders wrote:
Good points Jack but disagree with the starting maidens comment.Most of these non tab goat tracks are hardly more safe that the sand tab goat tracks.More one turners for young dogs in my experience than let them learn there trade before subjecting them to break a leg at the first two turners.Chris getting back to your working comment if there was to be at least two tracks in each racing hub one could be day time one would be nite and alternated to accommodate for all.Really hope they don't putthe cleaners thru too many tracks because you can bet your left ....they will get it wrong and leave us stuffed going forward.
Good point James. Hubs racing twice/thrice a week in alternate timeslots should accomodate most.
It's far more efficient than the Hub and Spoke model
You might consider a Spoke track in a large regional area where there travel to the Hub is over 2 hours. The Spoke could have one meeting a week and also be used for educating/training dogs on the other days.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 23:44
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Good point Sandro. Have you an email I can get a message to you Sandro?
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Dec 2015 23:59
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Please define the meaning of Hub and Spoke System and where was its origin from ....I hope not from football or the Americanisation of of something
James Saunders Australia (Verified User) Posts 4644 Dogs 3 / Races 3 18 Dec 2015 00:47
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I prefer the term racing zone because only than can we have uniformity and consistency and each surrounding areas of a racing zone have the same opportunities to expand the sport thr good governance and guaranteed tab fixtures.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2015 00:56
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Jack Gatty wrote:
Good point Sandro. Have you an email I can get a message to you Sandro?
Hi Jack
It's on my profile
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 01:31
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Ashley Dwyer wrote:
See thedogs website asking for industry feedback.
EXTERNAL LINK I reckon the collective group you identified could put together a collaboarative response and make a difference in the immediacy
.. John, From page 1 - Click link and a third of the way down the page is the discussion paper. Click it and read through the summary and you'll find the definition. .
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2015 01:52
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John McAlister wrote:
Please define the meaning of Hub and Spoke System and where was its origin from ....I hope not from football or the Americanisation of of something
4.2.1 Optimising the number of tracks
There are currently 34 registered greyhound racing tracks in NSW, 33 of which are funded by GRNSW (see Figure 1). Each of these tracks is operated by a separate club.
The JWG is of the view that the required standard of infrastructure and facilities cannot be implemented or sustained across all of these tracks.
By implication, the JWG considers there is a need to optimise the track footprint to achieve a more efficient and effective administration of the sport.
The specific nature of a change in the track network will need to take into account where participants reside and their travelling patterns.
For example, the JWG considers that a guiding principle for any change is that 80 per cent of participants have access to racing within a 2 hour drive.
Specific options under consideration by the JWG include:
- Only Centre of Excellence tracks these tracks will comprise a single facility, featuring all of the facilities and services necessary
- Racing Hub with trialling spokes all racing conducted at the Hub, with other tracks (i.e. the spokes) in the local area used for trialling purposes only. These trialling tracks would be operated from the Hub.
- Racing Hub with racing spokes racing would be focussed at the Hub, with some racing occurring at one (or more) spoke venues. The spoke venue(s) would have a lower level of infrastructure than the Hub. The racing spoke venues would be operated from the Hub.
Another possibility considered by the JWG is that more than one club could operate out of a single track.
Such an approach would require a clear delineation between infrastructure and club management.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 01:54
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
Good point Sandro. Have you an email I can get a message to you Sandro?
Hi Jack
It's on my profile
Thanks Sandro - I sent you a message on email. Appreciate your feedback.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2015 02:28
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Jack Gatty wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
Good point Sandro. Have you an email I can get a message to you Sandro?
Hi Jack
It's on my profile
Thanks Sandro - I sent you a message on email. Appreciate your feedback.
Didn't get it Jack
John McAlister Australia (Verified User) Posts 6567 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 02:45
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
John McAlister wrote:
Please define the meaning of Hub and Spoke System and where was its origin from ....I hope not from football or the Americanisation of of something
4.2.1 Optimising the number of tracks
There are currently 34 registered greyhound racing tracks in NSW, 33 of which are funded by GRNSW (see Figure 1). Each of these tracks is operated by a separate club.
The JWG is of the view that the required standard of infrastructure and facilities cannot be implemented or sustained across all of these tracks.
By implication, the JWG considers there is a need to optimise the track footprint to achieve a more efficient and effective administration of the sport.
The specific nature of a change in the track network will need to take into account where participants reside and their travelling patterns.
For example, the JWG considers that a guiding principle for any change is that 80 per cent of participants have access to racing within a 2 hour drive.
Specific options under consideration by the JWG include:
- Only Centre of Excellence tracks these tracks will comprise a single facility, featuring all of the facilities and services necessary
- Racing Hub with trialling spokes all racing conducted at the Hub, with other tracks (i.e. the spokes) in the local area used for trialling purposes only. These trialling tracks would be operated from the Hub.
- Racing Hub with racing spokes racing would be focussed at the Hub, with some racing occurring at one (or more) spoke venues. The spoke venue(s) would have a lower level of infrastructure than the Hub. The racing spoke venues would be operated from the Hub.
Another possibility considered by the JWG is that more than one club could operate out of a single track.
Such an approach would require a clear delineation between infrastructure and club management.
Now all understood but who is going to do the work of keeping the spokes up to scratch for trialling now I go to Cessnock at times and trial and those guys do a wonderful job of upkeep all voluntary the same goes for Temora when it was grass everything was a credit to them but is it going to work for a place like Coonamble if Dubbo becomes the Hub for that Zone ...Maybe if the clubs don't shut down but stay open at the locals expence meaning club pays a very minimal amount of prize money
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 03:17
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Jack Gatty wrote:
Good point Sandro. Have you an email I can get a message to you Sandro?
Hi Jack
It's on my profile
Thanks Sandro - I sent you a message on email. Appreciate your feedback.
Didn't get it Jack
My typo can you check again Sandro. Did you get it Sandro? Cheers
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 20:52
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I'm not seeing the restructuring of a track network as our major issue, no doubt some will be negatively affected if any track closes but I would guess another 4 trainers would be happy as other tracks will be upgraded and safer to race at we hope. If safer more utilized tracks are combined with better race programing and grading system that caters for dogs at all stages of their racing life it could be a good thing? With something set in stone at least nsw participants can make future plans either way, it's a free country you have the choice where you live and where you work.
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 21:01
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A major issue in my mind is the horse racing industry trying to destroy us? Anyone notice how many night meetings the gallops have these days? And if a dog race is ready to go but a gallop race is 5mins late guess who gets punted, in my opinion our industry needs to fight hard for an exclusive greyhound racing channel and no restrictions on race meeting time slots. Anyone else fed up with being used and abused by horse racing?
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2015 21:05
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allen hansen wrote:
I'm not seeing the restructuring of a track network as our major issue, no doubt some will be negatively affected if any track closes but I would guess another 4 trainers would be happy as other tracks will be upgraded and safer to race at we hope. If safer more utilized tracks are combined with better race programing and grading system that caters for dogs at all stages of their racing life it could be a good thing? With something set in stone at least nsw participants can make future plans either way, it's a free country you have the choice where you live and where you work.
Allen
You are right
Not everyone is going to be pleased or happy with whatever the final decisions are
Decisions need to be made for the good of the whole industry in NSW to allow it to go forward
They can't be made to suit 5 people or to suit a small group only interested in keeping their little patch or club alive
The industry has changed for good and needs to be professionally run
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 21:21
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Yes Allen, Aren't we all ? What a pity we can't be united because we are being assaulted left, right and centre, and Jack would suggest from the rear end as well. I've never seen an industry like it. Last Saturday (arvo) an Albury Tab meeting was like the charge of the Light Brigade because there were that many horses in the race ! They've been doubling up their meetings on a Saturday for awhile now. It's full steam ahead for them as they are well led, driven, supported and ridden. . Sandro, That's right. We've really had no or very little consultation in the models until now. I still think mass changes will be the wrong option n I cynically write it would suit the thoroughbreds if we close many tracks because I feel they will never reopen again. . We are trading at 20% so we should be growing, yet we are closing down tracks and it's not political ? . I have to clarify my support for a model I.e. The Hub and Racing Spoke Model.
Allen Hansen Australia (Verified User) Posts 232 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 21:24
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Another issue in my mind is the wastage of industry money from within, clearly we get dudded with the ICA and now the tax decision but how many dollars go out the back door from within from poor decisions and even poorer accounting practises? Trainers pay at every single step of the way and then raceclubs still charge a trainer an entry fee to supply them dogs, then they get their hand out from GRNSW for running the meeting, grnsw pay the prizemoney. How many trainers out there get their petrol costs paid, meal bills paid, trial costs covered, interstate trips etc all covered by their association or raceclub? It's just my opinion but maybe a little bit more needs to find it's way down to the ones who put 24/7 into the greyhounds in their care which provides the product.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 21:27
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Totally agree.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 18 Dec 2015 21:37
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Yes Allen, Aren't we all ? What a pity we can't be united because we are being assaulted left, right and centre, and Jack would suggest from the rear end as well. I've never seen an industry like it. Last Saturday (arvo) an Albury Tab meeting was like the charge of the Light Brigade because there were that many horses in the race ! They've been doubling up their meetings on a Saturday for awhile now. It's full steam ahead for them as they are well led, driven, supported and ridden. . Sandro, That's right. We've really had no or very little consultation in the models until now. I still think mass changes will be the wrong option n I cynically write it would suit the thoroughbreds if we close many tracks because I feel they will never reopen again. . We are trading at 20% so we should be growing, yet we are closing down tracks and it's not political ? . I have to clarify my support for a model I.e. The Hub and Racing Spoke Model.
To be fair to them Mark
With the pressure of the Special Commission of Inquiry bearing down on them, its not like they have been given a huge amount of time to come up with options to restructure and save this industry
I think the JWG have done a great job so far in identifying the major changes required in the industry in NSW
I just hope that instead of whinging that they get the support of participants
As the Duke said on The Catching Pen, if we don;t restructure and get the framework right now and make all the relevant changes then there won't be a greyhound industry in NSW in 2 years
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 18 Dec 2015 22:18
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Sandro, The government is wrong to shackle the industry when it has clearly out-performed the other two codes in TAB Turnover. I have given my support to the JWG with a degree of caution because they have an agenda that doesn't include correcting the ICA n that tax harmonisation tax reduction piece of legislation that are unfair. Do you think it's fair ? . There is nothing wrong with debating subjects when clearly there is something wrong. I don't call it whinging. You might, but I don't.
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