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Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 07:44
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Yeah I wish we could all just unite and get these "Liars", in court.First question I would ask is,"How the Working Dog Alliance came to this decision that greyhounds dont benefit from animal derived products".What test did you do to come to their decision, did you give a greyhound a taste of animal by product, then trial it? How did you come to this decision so fast.What greyhounds did you use to test this idea, im telling you now, they wouldn't be able to answer this question, cause its a dead set lie told by our new pen pushing leaders! There was no test done by them at all I bet you a million dollars its a made up load of camel crap, just to keep certain tossers happy.Look at some of the Non chasing they showed on the Catching Pen a few weeks ago, its happening on every track right now you only have to watch the races, its a disgrace, the punters shouldnt even bet on the dogs at the moment. Someone mentioned a while ago about getting 500 people to put in $1000 each, and he would throw in $10, 000 towards it, we couldnt even get 200 people to sign a petition, so that was dead in the water before it started.Im not rich, and I owe money, but I would have put in $5000 myself, just to get these "Liars"in court, were we could rip into there "Lies" I spoke to a Barrister friend of mine today, and he reckons you would only need $20, 000 to get the ball rolling.All I read on here at the moment is blah, blah, blah, and whats has happened to strenghten our resolve, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.Some great ideas, but it's all just talk, actions speak louder than words! I just know if we got them in court we would win hands down, cause all of there recent desicions are based on mis imformation and total lies! The only thing thats going to happen in the future at the moment, is us owners/trainers copping it left right and centre, cause we havnt got a voice for our own rights.Look what happened in Qld, with the dogs being taken off the owners cause they were suspected of being involved in baiting.If certain owners didnt take them to the High Court, instead of there own little kangaroo court, they would not of got there dogs back.Its like the school yard Bully, if you do nothing at all when he picks on you everyday, he will keep coming back over, and over to pick on you, stand up to him one day and punch him in the nose, and he will never pick on you again! Ive been guilty of the blah, blah, blah on here to, im just sick of all talk and zero action, we need to unite, united we stand, devided we fall, and thats all thats happening at the moment. Just so SICK, of all these stupid ideas, and decisions, absolutely laughable some of them, that GRNSW, keep coming up with.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 08:06
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Yes, I agree, thank you. Where do we go from here ?
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 08:40
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Another one im confused about.I recently read an article in "The Chase", magazine i think its called, which im sure GRNSW puts out,by Expert Dog Vet,John Newell.If you read it, sounds like he was a successful Expert Dog trainer at one time as well, maybe he was, first ive heard about it though! He talks about recent events, and how times need to change.Tells you how to ger your pups chasing etc etc.Talks about putting Rocks in a Coke bottle and dragging it around on the ground, lol, ive heard that same thing on this site from someone else before!! He then goes on to progressing them on to a sheep skin, pretty sure it didnt say synthetic sheep skin!! What the? Huh? I thought animal skins are now banned, im confused. Yeah greyhound pups will chase a coke bottle full of rocks dragged along the ground, so will just about any other breed of dog! The problem Is, greyhounds are just like people in one way, theres stupid ones, and there is intelligent ones! The smart ones figure out after a while what there chasing, and catching, isnt real.We need to keep them second guessing, and make them think its real.Whats wrong with using a dead skin, will the skin get hurt or die!! Lot of people talking about the benefits of the FOL to get all the dogs chasing properly.Ptoblem is, might be good for some dogs, that dont figure it out, but the Smart ones eventually do!
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 08:44
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I agree Shane and the thing that sticks out to me is the 'witch hunt'. The thoroughbreds and standard Bred breed as many if not more horses each year as dogs with around 50% making it to the track and the majority of their wastage end up at the knackers yet not a word about this by government, antis or media. It's a witch hunt and I wouldn't be surprised if the gg'S aren't leading the politicians making these decisions. The NSW race minister is a horse man and appointed the NSW PTB. They are also kowtowing to the greens and the anti lefty vegan loops, they must be getting deals with the greens. I first thought that some good thing would come from a bit of a shakeup and the last board really let us down. But now they are not supporting or trying to grow the industry, the opposite is occurring - racing was meant to get a tax parity boost but we were robbed and the horses given huge breeding and prize money increases and country racing promoted whilst they decided to almost kill our breeding and close country tracks. We are not on parity with Victoria greyhound tax. It's hypocrisy, it's discrimination, it's a witch hunt. Are the horses doing a birth to death thing? No. Why not if the dogs have to. I think that the public has been brain washed and media has been used to perpetrate the lies and crucify us as the horses hate the fact that greyhound punting is the only one growing out of the codes.
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 08:49
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Jack Gatty wrote:
I agree Shane and the thing that sticks out to me is the 'witch hunt'. The thoroughbreds and standard Bred breed as many if not more horses each year as dogs with around 50% making it to the track and the majority of their wastage end up at the knackers yet not a word about this by government, antis or media. It's a witch hunt and I wouldn't be surprised if the gg'S aren't leading the politicians making these decisions. The NSW race minister is a horse man and appointed the NSW PTB. They are also kowtowing to the greens and the anti lefty vegan loops, they must be getting deals with the greens. I first thought that some good thing would come from a bit of a shakeup and the last board really let us down. But now they are not supporting or trying to grow the industry, the opposite is occurring - racing was meant to get a tax parity boost but we were robbed and the horses given huge breeding and prize money increases and country racing promoted whilst they decided to almost kill our breeding and close country tracks. We are not on parity with Victoria greyhound tax. It's hypocrisy, it's discrimination, it's a witch hunt. Are the horses doing a birth to death thing? No. Why not if the dogs have to. I think that the public has been brain washed and media has been used to perpetrate the lies and crucify us as the horses hate the fact that greyhound punting is the only one growing out of the codes.
100% Correct Jack, its a total "Witch Hunt".
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 09:15
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I just wanted 2 put in my 2 bob opinion on this thread 2 blow off some excessive steam build up , so I'm "pre-sorry" ok folks. Isn't it any wonder many great K9 folk that have been involved in the K9 industry in NSW 4 ages r leaving this great sport of the elite animal athletes ! I also didn't renew my K9 public trainers licence that I have held 4 well over 20 years [ so what } last year due 2 my total disillusionment of this industry due 2 a combination of factors which I won't reveal on a public forum but I will say that after attending that critical K9 meeting held at Cessnock track last year with my long time great m8 John McAlister it made things even clearer 2 me that "handing in" my licence was the right thing 2 do in my own mind but others can do what they please as is their prerogative 2 do so. I can also tip my hat 2 all those still participating in this industry at all different levels cos the "fallout" of the scandal etc etc has been of gigantic proportions right across the board & due 2 totally incompetent , ignorant , amateurish & overpaid knuckleheads calling the shots made that they also seem quite happy bowing 2 & be dictated 2 by "outsiders" with f-ck all knowledge of the K9 breed itself , have made the job of those dedicated K9 folk still persevering on 10 times harder + virtually crucified the breeding side of the game which the results of this will rear its ugly head within 3-5years time with debilitating results 2 the racing side of things. Mark my words & quote me now cos its already in the "mail" 2 be delivered in the future folks. Now don't get me wrong folks , I am NOT bagging any K9 participants at all , I am only a unknown ant in the game compared 2 so many others so nobody could give a sh-t about what I do or say , but I have loved & been around K9's with all my heart since a child & only want the best 4 this industry but until some major changes are made & people who do have a real clue about K9's at all levels are put into the power positions that make the decisions instead of "puppets" then & I hate 2 say this but the game's future is bleak at best. If intelligent, experienced K9 folk with VISION eventually get 2 steer the ship & I think that the game can/is resurrecting itself then I will have another go at breeding & training again cos I have the "assets" required 2 sell off & 2 maybe buy or go in partnership with somebody in a K9 property on a fulltime basis , but how I see it at the moment that ain't gonna happen. Also just 2 mention I have applied 4 a few various positions vacant that were advertised by GRNSW - cos I need a job badly - & I never even got a reply from em let alone get considered 4 an interview so that tells me I'm not the type of person they want 2 employ which also proves that they don't want people like me with the best interests of K9's in mind in their ranks. Maybe I've got a bad "rap" labelled on me by mudslinging, backstabbing, faceless yahoo's who have never even met or spoken a word 2 me in their lives ? Ha Ha Ha... Anyway sorry 4 the rant & all the best 2 all u great K9 folk out there. Regards...
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 697 Dogs 11 / Races 2 23 Mar 2016 09:50
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Shane I have got no idea were you got the crap from about John Newell but let me say this. DO NOT COP ALL THE BULL SH%^%$T AND THEN COME ON THIS SIGHT AND MAKE OUT IT'S TRUE. JN GREAT BLOKE, WISH THERE COULD BE MORE LIKE HIM, THE DOG GAME WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 10:01
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Get how you feel Steve. With some good 'REAL' dog people steering the ship, greyhound racing could have a great resurgence. Punting in the 18-35 yr age bracket is really growing on the dogs despite the continual attacks on the code. There are some major improvements that could improve things and modernise the sport but they are implementing silly non dog savvy rules to placate the greens and libbers but they will never be satisfied so I don't get it. All that needed doing was to get rid of the corrupt and crony at board and leadership levels and replace with passionate good dog people who have the sport and dogs best interests at heart. Get really tough on drugs and doping. Look at and implement best track, surface and lure design and keep on improving on welfare and rehoming initiatives each year. But what we got is the big stick approach blaming participants instead of the piss weak leadership that ran us into the ground. Making silly decisions like no skins and 2 dog's a run etc. is not the way to go in my opinion. I'm also a nobody in the industry but I love the breed, love my dogs and know how much they love to race and will support the right of all greyhounds to race and be Bred for that purpose. And on JN I couldn't agree more. Great vet, great greyhound man and we need alot like John in higher positions. Imo.
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 697 Dogs 11 / Races 2 23 Mar 2016 10:31
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Jack your spot on mate but why don't they wan't to take any notice, They think every new rule they make is the right one,I just keep shaking my bloody head.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 20:14
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Hi Jack,
I always like reading your summaries on political influence and persuasion, but of course I'm bias as I have the same or very similar view. One day we might have a leader to fight for our rights and cause and we'll follow without doubt. . However, the world has bigger issues to worry about. My heart goes out to all people in war-torned countries and bless all those innocent ones, especially those in Brussells, Belgium and Ankara, Turkey. . If I don't hear from you all sooner, have a Happy n Safe Easter.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 23 Mar 2016 23:58
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Shane you make some good points.
What is occurring now is bordering on Harassment and Bullying of the participants by the Authorities and ,in particular, by the field staff who have been carefully trained in what to say and how to deliver the undertones of threats.
Presently the "general" feel I get from participants is one of utter frustration and sense of total disrespect for their skills and knowledge of the Greyhound, where by Academia and Animal Activists have more say then they do.
There is not a week goes by when an "inspection" story is not relayed involving a feeling of absolute anger ,usually by the male participants - to stress and tears from the wives and partners. If anyone doesn't believe this is not happening then you are out of touch.
The industry and the way in which it is being administered is at a tipping point - some may choose not to see it , but is only a matter of time before the under current is exposed and something breaks.
Message to Administrators. Stop the phoney board appointments and start appointing Industry figures to work in collaboration for genuine aligned outcome.
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 24 Mar 2016 00:14
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Nic,
You are so right it's depressing. I know of participants with over 40 years of breeding, rearing and racing their own bloodlines refusing to breed anymore. All that hard work is just going to die out as the last of their current crop retire and that is so sad.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Mar 2016 00:41
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It's pretty obvious that they don't want to grow the industry and entice new people into it
They drive people out of the industry with an encyclopaedia of rules and regulations that you need a science and a law degree to understand and if that's not insulting enough, every cost associated with breeding, registering or racing a dog has doubled or in some cases tripled, without any corresponding increase in prize money or racing opportunities
They wait for the older people to retire or become frustrated enough to leave when they can't enjoy their hobby; when they eventually drop off it gives them an excuse and justification to shrink the industry again.
All they ever talk about is a 'sustainable future', but I don't hear of any ways to grow the industry
Pretty soon all its going to 'sustain' is a bunch of public servants talking about this thing that used to be Greyhound Racing!!
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 24 Mar 2016 00:48
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I wonder what the Special Commission of Enquiry is going to 'dish out' to us ? The recommendations are not too far away from being publicly known. Are we on another 'hiding to nothing' expectation ? Of course, they don't want to know about the ICA, Tax Harmonisation n the Industry growing the fastest, while the other codes continue to saturate the market. . Shane, it would only take one case in court to beat them. I'd attack them from a restriction of trade perspective.
Chris van Vegchel Australia (Verified User) Posts 443 Dogs 3 / Races 0 24 Mar 2016 00:55
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Mark, from the transcripts I've read right from the very opening statement from the council assisting, was an inference that the industry should be closed down.
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Mar 2016 01:43
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Not only is it a restriction of trade Mark - it is discrimination. No other racing code is being treated like this - in fact they are using betting tax earned from greyhound betting to grow and expand horse breeding and prize money. So the thoroughbred and standard Bred horse codes can breed and get only 50% to the track and the majority of their so called 'wastage' (stupid term) can go to the knackers with not an eyebrow raised by politicians or media. I've said from day dot that this is a witch hunt. The horses don't like the fact that greyhound punting is a growth industry and especially among young punters. I think its obvious that politicians are being lobbied by the horse industry against what they see as a threat. It's not only a witch hunt it's class warfare. The nobs don't like the working class having a product that if properly run could be on par with the thoroughbred punting turnover. The whole thing is disgusting and the only way I can see any fairness would be through the court system - but then again how many judge's would be involved with horses or the powerful who protect them? Apart from this we have the bleeding hearts and do-gooders who have ZERO idea about dogs also sticking their ignorant noses into something that they perceive as 'cruel'. Bloody Morons - imagine our magnificent breed with out racing. The whole breed would be doomed. It would go the way of all other breeds who man have ruined like the Labrador, German Shepherd, dalmatian etc etc. As soon as idiots started breeding these Dogs for looks and not purpose they ruined them and now they all have terrible faults like hip displacia and hundreds of other genetically inherited diseases. Why is the greyhound breed so strong and robust? Because greyhound industry people breed for purpose, know the breed and their lines backwards.
Steve Bennie Australia (Verified User) Posts 697 Dogs 11 / Races 2 24 Mar 2016 02:27
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100% Well said Jack
Phil Hall Australia (Verified User) Posts 1320 Dogs 21 / Races 21 24 Mar 2016 06:16
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Heard rumour greyhound australsia is worried about the drop in breeding and real effect on racing in next 12 months and want to get things moving forward sooner rather than too late .. hope its right
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 24 Mar 2016 08:41
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SPOT ON Sandro.........No one is listening to us.
The proposed fee's are criminal.
The new rulings are selective & illegal.
There was no need to go this hard.....and we've been saying this for a year.
They have been totally irresponsible in their actions & the writings on the wall for all to see.
Anthony Jeffress Australia (Verified User) Posts 3669 Dogs 54 / Races 10 24 Mar 2016 11:18
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Some wonderful posts - full of passion - on this page in particular.
The winds of change ARE starting to blow (& in the polar-opposite direction to most of the past year).
There WILL be Legal action; both individual AND I'm strongly tipping, collective.
There WILL be challenges to the ludicrous, officious, over- zealous rules; particularly where there is no foundation within the federal laws of the land.
We WILL survive; not only that, but I truly believe (largely courtesy of the above) we will again one day thrive and flourish .
Make no mistake; there still is massive strength and resolve left (in some).
There are several ways that the attempts to stifle and ' choke' breeding & growth can (& WILL) be counter- attacked.
As frustrating as all this has been, the fightback IS coming.
Sure, it's going to be a long game & it'll sorely test participant's patience & resolve along the way; but we all realize it's a battle we must see through to the end.
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