Mark, he went 5.04/29.01 at Sandown, that's the dogs ability, which is just low flying. Why has that run been forgotten about ? Can someone please park one of those types in my backyard !

I don't understand what people want in a stud........I've watched all the vids available on the dogs website, I didn't see him fight or bludge in any of those 20 odd races on those vids and I'd love to know what the person who disagree's on Sandro's and your post above is actually disagreeing about.

Like Sandro I'm dumbfounded why the dog hasn't had many bitches. I have no connection to the dog.

Ryan that run at Sandown was absolutely flying.

Not sure why you are dumbfounded why he hasnt had many bitches. The past few years litter numbers have been well down and when you look at his overall record of nearly 30 starts for $60,000 in prize money it doesnt stack up in the tough stud game.

Im sure if this dog got his share of good Broodies he would make it. Like Ive said many times before..... its a bloody tough game as a stud master unless you have the cream of the crop.

Good luck to all connections of this dog one thing for sure going off that sandown run alone this boy was fast. But as a breeder in a very tough environment it would be very hard to sell him pups.

I understand the dogs ability Ryan thats why I said he was a very fast animal but just in case you didnt understand that Ill say again. He obviously was an extremely fast animal but have a look again at his two melb runs and then the points made by Jonathan not to mention his by a sire that not many flooded to as well
But in saying again just for you Ryan, I like the few pups Ive seen by him but to use him as a breeder you prob want to sit back and get a good pic on what he can produce before investing the money In the whole process

well I've done what you've asked and looked at the 2 Melb runs again:

(i) 29.01 Sandown, speaks for itself

(ii) blew the start, was badly xed at the first turn, made a run in the back and ran into the back side of 3 dogs.....it was def a forgive run for mine, surely you're not condemning him for this run in a Melb Cup Prelude ?

This was what Johnathon said:

Johnathon campbell wrote:

.....Nitro Burst is throwing the X factor into his pups. A most underrated sire and not noted for his achievements.

He's backing up Nitro Burst is what I read.

I can somewhat understand your point re being the son of Nitro Burst, but from a breeding perspective I wld rather punt on Smart Missile (with the right match up), who was an extremely fast and hard chaser, rather than wait n see for the sole reason that he was a son of Nitro Burst which he can't do anything about if literally not given any chance at stud, which is the case now. What if he throws to his damline, Brett Lee was from that line. What a missed opportunity that wld be, I really can't see breeders logic there. Cheers.

There are some lovely litters off him in Ireland the oldest will hit 12 months in November of this year.

There are positive and negatives to every dog at stud. Using a stud dog on any bitch is a lottery. There are no sure things.

The Larkhill Jo lines decends from an obscure sire line from a dog called Its Ballyhenry a 26.5kg dog. His sixth dam Millies May won the coursing Oaks. Astute breeders used this line which had inherent pace to great effect culminating with Nick Sava using this sire line over his Westmead line and the rest is history.

Its all about producing that freak dog but there must be speed. Smart Missile had speed in abundance his clocks show that. He was a very fast greyhound. His damline stands up to scrutiny and the addition of Premier Fantasy who was also a speedster adds to this line. If I remember correctly his sire was very poorly patronised as Irish breeders were wary of his American damline.

So you roll the dice on any stud dog and see what happens.

Whisky Assasin, Iago, Ashiga Puzzle Prize Robust Character Vapour Whirl and on wouldn't breeders be best positioned to use proven sires or lines that are obviously prepotent? I think percentage wise they would?

Genuine question M8

Is that pups name any reflection on the owner?

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Kennel name is "Willie"

I take my hat off to you David as you predicted Smart Songar wins in Maitland in a smart 22.44 recording his second win now rated 97 GD ratings,

Guess what the dam Whichita Syian is by Brett lee and wait for it the dam sire is by Larkhill Jo.

if ever the phrase nail on the head was appropriate then this is one of those times.

Wow.

AND Brian there may be a case to bring out that hammer again. I did say this on Page 3 of this topic:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Brian here's evidence of what happens when you put the Hunter Tylo damline (such as Smart Missile's), over a damline which has been very successful with Bombastic Shiraz CLICK HERE . Just won a 25k maiden - they come out of the trees to win races with that sort of prizemoney on offer, over here Brian.

also on page 4 of this topic:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

that sire's son shld be seriously considered if the sons damline saturates a sire (at a very high percentage CLICK HERE ), that has previously nicked exceptionally well with your broods damline.........this shld be one of the key criteria when choosing a sire imo, regardless of the sires sire line. you may have heard people who know a lot about breeding say "breeding is about damlines" this imo is the reason why.

Smart Songar fits both of those quote categories as Fabregas(by Bombastic Shiraz) is from the same damline.

Now of concern is that 2 people posting on the front forum page are looking to put 2x proven sires over their broods.

I haven't looked through those broods peds in detail but pretty certain Smart Missile wld be very close to if not my top choice for both those broods because of the Bombastic Shiraz influence over their line with the quality he threw to it. Obviously a number of other criteria have to be met as well but gee Smart Missile looks good over those broods at face value.

So unfortunately for your bloke it may take some time for the penny to drop with Aus breeders, hopefully for the dogs sake it wont be too long. Cheers.

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Joshua I can see what you are saying with your first sentence and you may well be on the mark there, however breeders wld be remiss to dismiss what his damline brings to the table particularly if their broods lines have been successfully influenced by Bombastic Shiraz. I dont think that is why a couple of those examples have been overlooked tho, so they too may have to prove themselves before they are considered more frequently by breeders, therefore I don't think Smart Missile shld be put into the same category. Cheers.

Yeah for sure Jim. Then on the other side of the coin you have gems of sires like Turanza Bale and BMO sold to o/s interests because they aren't being patronised.

At least with Smart Missile, Brian has made him available to Aus breeders for now, but I assume it's an expensive exercise for him and if breeders don't patronise him here now, he too cld be lost. Can you imagine another Turanza Bale situation after he threw Gregorieva Bale,Xylia and MBF early ? I don't think I want to again.

M8 I'm not saying just use Smart Missile willy nilly neither do I 100% know he's going to click, but if your bitch is crying out for him such as I've explained above he shld be considered in a breeders top 5 every time on his racetrack performance and damline pedigree. At the end of the day we are talking about a dogs damline carrying a niche that replicates the pedigree of one of the greatest sires in Aus breeding history at a very high 88% within 5 generations . Breeders need to take notice of those things imo.

I noticed an Irish bitch on here the other day that wld have qualified with the criteria I've mentioned and he wasn't even considered or in anyone's suggestions, yet the dogs available there - go figure.

So I remain dumbfounded! haha.Cheers.

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