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Nathan Absalom
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24 May 2016 21:24


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Hi,

I've received a comment on my latest roar article by a Grey2K board member:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/05/23/racing-victoria-set-overhaul/#comment-4904080

I know they're a lobby group and not a welfare organisation, but how nasty are they? Do they turn things personal when confronted or do they turn and run with their tail between their legs?

I'd just like to know so I can shut down the conversation at an appropriate time, if needs be.

Many thanks,

Nathan


Sandra Giles
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25 May 2016 00:02


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nathan absalom wrote:

Hi,

I've received a comment on my latest roar article by a Grey2K board member:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/05/23/racing-victoria-set-overhaul/#comment-4904080

I know they're a lobby group and not a welfare organisation, but how nasty are they? Do they turn things personal when confronted or do they turn and run with their tail between their legs?

I'd just like to know so I can shut down the conversation at an appropriate time, if needs be.

Many thanks,

Nathan

Nathan,

How nasty are they? Plenty of articles out there to sum up exactly who they are and what they stand for.
I think the most common analogy is "Domestic Terrorists"

You may like to read this informative article

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Dick Ciampa
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25 May 2016 02:11


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Leslie did a great job on the article Sandra posted. Christine is part of ALF's Hall of Fame. Saying or doing anything to discredit the greyhound industry is what G2K does, facts don't matter.

Fred Barton, that posted on your article has been friends with G2K for many years and just became a board member recently.

For many years Fred bashed the greyhound industry with his Ironicus Maximus blog.

EXTERNAL LINK


Sandro Bechini
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25 May 2016 03:17


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Nowhere on their website does Grey2K advocate that they do anything concrete to assist the greyhound live a better life

The only thing they are pushing is the death of greyhounds caused by racing.

The money they generate to spread lies seems to be going into their fat pockets to pay themselves salaries and to travel the world on their various junkets and of course, to give themselves awards and a pat on the back.

Nowhere on their website do I see that the funds that they have generated have physically helped a greyhound be rehomed or be debriefed away from a racing environment

Nowhere do I see them funding programs to help greyhounds find new homes or actually setting up rehoming centres.

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From their website:

GREY2K USA Worldwide is the largest greyhound protection organization in the United States. A

s a non-profit 501(c)4 organization, we work to pass stronger greyhound protection laws and to end the cruelty of dog racing on both national and international levels.

We also promote the rescue and adoption of greyhounds across the globe.

As we grow, GREY2K USA Worldwide continues to use resources efficiently.
Below is a summary of our 2014 expenditures.

Programs:

81% of all 2014 expenditures were used directly for programs including legislative advocacy, ballot initiatives, legal research, and public education about the cruelty and killing of greyhound racing.

Development:

12% of 2014 expenditures were focused on the production of adoption information and educational materials for the general public, distribution of campaign updates to supporters, upgrades to our web site, and other member services.

Management & General Expenses:

7% of 2014 expenditures paid for registration and reporting in racing states, legal and accounting support, and administrative costs for our Massachusetts headquarters.

Total Annual Expenses: $469, 064.

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They only PROMOTE adoption, they do nothing concrete to actually make it happen

Our Racing associations also PROMOTE adoption, but at least they are fuelling these rehoming programs with real money

They are a society that openly wants the closure of greyhound racing

This means that they have no intention of working harmoniously with the racing authorities to promote better breeding practices, better rearing and training practices, safer racetracks, education of participants in injury management and are definitely not interested in spending any money to provide or financially support any rehoming facilities.

The fact that they want to close the sport only shows their ignorance of the greyhound itself, as 90% of greyhounds love the thrill and the spirit of the chase

Speed, agility and the chase drive are some of the features of the greyhound and what separates it from other breeds.

Greyhound racing actually promotes these qualities and the fact that they are used for this purpose provides them for a reason for the breed to exist and retains the purity of the breed.

Grey2K are only there to line their own pockets and when they are finished with greyhound racing they will move onto horse racing

We are the easy target for them.

The sooner that they are exposed for the charlatans they are, the better the world will be.

We need less B/S artists in this world.

As for you Fred Barton, if you are reading, your reference to our authorities trying to clean up the sport is that they are putting 'lipstick on a pig', is way out of context and is out of order.

I would say that the only reference to putting 'lipstick on a pig' that would apply is when you get up in the morning, and look in the mirror in the morning while you are having a shave




Nathan Absalom
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25 May 2016 03:34


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Thank you very, very much people, much appreciated. I'll continue the standard responses of politely refuting the first lie, then stopping the correspondence in the second. I have the feeling that if it continues beyond that they'll try and provoke a personal response from me, then complain to get me barred from the site.



Kevin Wright
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25 May 2016 06:34


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The foot soldiers

The front line of any attack is defence with a counter attack ...

We have been told by some of the most well known and knowledgeable people in the USA racing scene today how to defend ourself and that was not TO REMAIN SILENT but to attack ..

The whole WORLD NOW KNOWS GREY2KWW ARE

CRIMINALS FUNDAMENTALISTS AND EXTREMISTS

Australian's are now well skilled in defending the LIE'S on social Media and there have been many great people speak up on all social media sites and this has helped us all so much and without these people the battle would've still been in the trenches defending ourselves from the Lie's .

GREY2KWW Today

Are now struggling for a breath and Animals Australia has even distanced itself away from these extremist radicals lying gutter Rats and the general public are now witnessing how these people really think and the way our PTB bent over for these Viral radicals still astounds me today .

It has been the little PEOPLE THE SMALL BACK YARD Greyhound Owner and trainers and BREEDERS who have helped steer our sinking ship

SOCIAL MEDIA STILL IS OUR GREATEST TOOL ....and we use it so well ...


Dick Ciampa
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25 May 2016 11:22


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If anyone wants to see G2K's 990's, their tax returns, go here and type Grey2K in the top box.

You will see as the years went by and donations went up so didn't the salaries of Christine and Cary and now salary even includes their staff which was volunteer till a couple of years ago. You will see total salary takes up about 40% of donations.

EXTERNAL LINK



Jason Caley
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25 May 2016 14:35


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dick ciampa wrote:

If anyone wants to see G2K's 990's, their tax returns, go here and type Grey2K in the top box.

You will see as the years went by and donations went up so didn't the salaries of Christine and Cary and now salary even includes their staff which was volunteer till a couple of years ago. You will see total salary takes up about 40% of donations.

EXTERNAL LINK

^^ Bingo. That is the avenue you have and need to use to expose this lobby/advocacy group. They are not about welfare. They are a money making machine with an agenda. This is about spin. And the truth shall not get in the way of their distortions of the truth (from using US track footage pertaining to Australian greyhounds etc.) and other propaganda.

The main point to raise w.r.t. Grey2k is what % goes into animal rehoming or other activity based outreach versus the pockets of the co-founders and into publishing and marketing efforts (a.k.a. promotion)

Nathan - I have contributed to your thread on the other external site to shift the conversation a little.


Martin Roper
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25 May 2016 17:18


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Grey2K are very resourceful. 100% of their time is spent on spreading propaganda. THIS IS ALL THEY DO. They're not feeding or taking care of a kennel of adoption dogs.



Jack Gatty
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26 May 2016 05:14


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Here's a great video by Dennis McKeon that exposes alot of these terrorists lies and terrorist tactics EXTERNAL LINK


Sandro Bechini
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26 May 2016 06:03


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Martin Roper wrote:

Grey2K are very resourceful. 100% of their time is spent on spreading propaganda. THIS IS ALL THEY DO. They're not feeding or taking care of a kennel of adoption dogs.

100% Martin



Graham Moscow
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26 May 2016 08:56


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Martin Roper wrote:

Grey2K are very resourceful. 100% of their time is spent on spreading propaganda. THIS IS ALL THEY DO. They're not feeding or taking care of a kennel of adoption dogs.

Propaganda is their weapon. Their bloodlines probably go back to Nazi Joseph Goebbels. Ha ha
Grey2K are simply driving western world greyhound industry into countries that will not tolerate their crap, they don't want to hear that coz they riding high $$$ on their destructive crusade.


Danny Phillips
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28 May 2016 08:09


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You have to ask what is that end game?if they get what they want there will be no greyhounds. There will be no reason to breed them they will become extinct. No different to ethnic cleansing


Dennis McKeon
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28 May 2016 13:58


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That isn't me....good video, though.


Dennis McKeon
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28 May 2016 13:59


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Dick Ciampa
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30 May 2016 14:37


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G2K likes to tell everyone how they help adoption. Here is what they do.

Right now on May 30th look at the top post on their FB page.

EXTERNAL LINK
So on their website they list greyhound adoption groups. THAT IS IT. LOL

They don't donate money to those groups, which by the way are AR groups, they don't pay to haul dogs to those groups all they do is list them.

You can find the same groups by doing a Google search. LOL

Now scroll down a ways and you will see things like this.

GREY2K USA
May 24 at 11:00am

Meet adoptable greyhounds in Flemington, New Jersey on Saturday! NJGAP

So, again, they aren't donating money to this group they are being "adoption friendly" by saying these dogs are up for adoption and someone needs to adopt them because we not only aren't adopting any of them, but we aren't donating OUR money to help them.

Donating money is what YOU, our minions do, not us.

If you look at G2K's 990's you will usually see a small amount of money donated, but don't be fooled by that number either. If G2K donates money to any non profit it would be a charitable donation. So donating to their friends at PETA or the HSUS would be a charitable donation.

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