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Mitchell Tubinas Australia (Verified User) Posts 813 Dogs 11 / Races 1 24 Aug 2016 08:54
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I am not really happy stating this fact but years ago I was in alot of strife by association with a certain person. He was busted for quite a big offence.The day of his offence, He told me intentions he had of doing something that day which I thought was him talking himself up. He was a "gonna" type person. So being an old mate I still spent the day with him. To my horror he went through with what he said. So as it gets to him getting caught and the police knowing I was with him that day, I somehow get in the position where I am an accessory yet they try to charge me with his offence also. My lawyer is not cheap yet not top line. He keeps adjourning court every time while saying we know you have done no wrong. There is no evidence to suggest that and the police the courts and they all knew that. I knew I did nothing wrong myself So adjournment after adjournment the case continues on until 1 day when I am in the courtroom and the person who did this offence is in court with me. All of a sudden his very dodgy working for the worst barristers, takes my lawyer outside the courtroom. He re enters after about 15 minutes and once adjourned my lawyer tell me I have to plead guilty. I was disgusted but after much thought I agreed as he was the professional. Well what a mistake. I was stitched up and copped the extremely tough consequences. It became obvious my lawyer was paid off by his grub barrister to get me to cop part of his punishment to make his lighter. To this day I do not trust lawyers etc one bit.
So unless these guys are miracle workers, Why have no REAL anti advertisements been made? Why has every part of our side of the truth been so suppressed? Definitely not an accusation but I wonder is there a possibility Baird's government have some how compensated certain people to keep us quiet? He put Nuisance in with us not knowing what he was doing....
Makes u wonder.... Money talks!
shane lippel wrote:
andrew plasier wrote:
shane,even if labor win next election,which I doubt,there's no way we can work with the rspca in which foley wants them to take a major part in governance over us,their a big reason why where gone.there will be hardly any tracks left,no dogs,i cant see it ever coming back in nsw,i hope I'm wrong..
Yeah you might be right Andrew! Like how The GBOTA said we would cut breeding numbers down to 2000 per yr! Now is it just me, or am I the only one feeling we have been stitched up by everyone over this debacle.If we went for the throat like we were told was going to happen from the word go, we might not be in the situation we are in now, instead the soft approach by our so called powers to be.People kept saying, stay out of it, they know what their doing, well its clear to me, no they dont, or we wouldnt be up the creek, without a paddle, the way we are now.The legal team dont care about us, they care about making money! The money that has been wasted so far has gotten us nowhere, wish I had $40,000 right from the get go, one full page add in the Telegraph I would have won it straight away, mentioning certain things, no holds barred, go for the throat, and it would have been Baird packing his bags, instead of us! Im just so sick of this anzy pansy soft approach,directed by the lawyers I imagine, to string things out for the sake of them making money! Also do people remember who OUR Law firm have done alot of work for in the past, the one and only Liberal Party.At this point in time, I trust no one.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 24 Aug 2016 09:05
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Definitely should of ran ads , definitely should of demanded massive compensation, definitely should of dragged horses into the debate. I don't know the $$ reserves of GBOTA but I'm guessing the full page ads aren't cheap (reports say govt has spent $1 million so far on their propaganda).
We are David, the govt is Goliath.
But I think those who stuck up for us will have the last laugh...only because I know our side is in the right.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Aug 2016 09:11
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They have spent well over $1m
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 24 Aug 2016 09:17
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Mark Staines wrote:
I think McHugh was used up and didn't realise it until Baird made his announcement, but i bet he got paid plenty for being used lol. Apparently the Alliance has the best Constitutional Law expert in the land on there team so i guess thats where this is all heading.
With their total disrespect to the Rule of Law and all the evidence provided, this constitutional expert should eat them up.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Aug 2016 09:38
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Vic to stop NSW greyhounds border crossing
AAP By AAP
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Victoria and its greyhound industry are trying to stop a flood of trainers and dogs entering the state after a bill to shut the industry passed NSW parliament.
Racing Minister Martin Pakula reiterated Victoria's dog racing industry would not be shut down "on the back of a NSW report" and the local industry is undergoing cultural change.
He says breeding numbers are down roughly 30 per cent and the inspectorate has increased three-fold.
"We have made enormous strides in Victoria in terms of implementing the recommendations of our reports," he told SEN on Wednesday.
"It's got to continue - no one is suggesting they are out of the woods - but we are not going to shut down an industry based on the back of a NSW report."
Greyhound Racing Victoria is consulting with the government on how it can place controls on NSW trainers trying to cross the border, he said.
"We can't have a sort of an inundation. So there will have to be some controls exercised as to those that want to come here and GRV are working on that," Mr Pakula said.
A GRV spokesman confirmed talks were happening, discussing the possible impacts the NSW ban would have on the Victorian industry.
AAP 2016
Can any of our Greyhound friends in Victoria tell us NSW participants anything about the above ?
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 24 Aug 2016 09:56
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all i can tell you is ,dont come to a property that hasnt got a current permit to keep greyhounds ,
license and permits are a must ,, thus making property's in VIC with those credentials quite expensive ,
Andrew Plasier Australia (Verified User) Posts 1279 Dogs 0 / Races 16 24 Aug 2016 09:56
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if true that's not very nice from our vic friends.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 24 Aug 2016 09:58
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Vietnam gets 80mil from OUR Australian purse every year, Indonesia gets 60mil. All the while our current and previous governments tear the hearts out of our industries???? Something just doesn't seem right??
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Aug 2016 09:59
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Its trying to stop trainers coming over, not dogs
I'd say if a trainer has had a positive, would have no hope ------------------------------------------------------------
Greyhound Racing Victoria is consulting with the government on how it can place controls on NSW trainers trying to cross the border, he said.
"We can't have a sort of an inundation. So there will have to be some controls exercised as to those that want to come here and GRV are working on that," Mr Pakula said.
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 24 Aug 2016 10:00
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It seems like if your a NSW greyhound participant you are friendless.
How bloody Un-Australian.
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 24 Aug 2016 10:01
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Its trying to stop trainers coming over, not dogs
I'd say if a trainer has had a positive, would have no hope ------------------------------------------------------------
Greyhound Racing Victoria is consulting with the government on how it can place controls on NSW trainers trying to cross the border, he said.
"We can't have a sort of an inundation. So there will have to be some controls exercised as to those that want to come here and GRV are working on that," Mr Pakula said.
But Sandro, our constitution states we are free to travel, with no bias or hindrance from other states.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Aug 2016 10:10
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Well i said it week's a go on here that there were Victorians wanting to build the "GREAT WALL OF VICTORIA" what a bloody disgrace.We'll have your Dog's but your not welcome, you can't be more "UN AUSTRALIAN THAN THAT".
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 24 Aug 2016 10:46
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michael barry wrote:
all i can tell you is ,dont come to a property that hasnt got a current permit to keep greyhounds ,
license and permits are a must ,, thus making property's in VIC with those credentials quite expensive ,
Thank's Mick i heard the Council's in and around Geelong have cracked down on Licensing but i ain't going anywhere.
Peter Hooper Australia (Verified User) Posts 270 Dogs 1 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:49
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Dan Hollywood wrote:
Sandro Bechini wrote:
Its trying to stop trainers coming over, not dogs
I'd say if a trainer has had a positive, would have no hope ------------------------------------------------------------
Greyhound Racing Victoria is consulting with the government on how it can place controls on NSW trainers trying to cross the border, he said.
"We can't have a sort of an inundation. So there will have to be some controls exercised as to those that want to come here and GRV are working on that," Mr Pakula said.
But Sandro, our constitution states we are free to travel, with no bias or hindrance from other states.
Think anyone would be welcome to move to Victoria, whether they'd be granted a trainers licence will be the issue, but I think you'll find there are some Victorians that also may struggle to get one.
Dan McDonald Australia (Verified User) Posts 402 Dogs 9 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 19:10
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The truth is, if you want to keep racing your dogs, you are now are refugee in your own country. Who would have thought it possible that you would be forced to leave your family, friends and home in NSW?
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Aug 2016 20:13
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Let's not start attacking each other it's pointless and as Australians we have right's .
The GRV will not stop people from NSW shifting down to Vic.
If any NSW person would like their dog Owned by a Victorian resident then i would be willing to buy 1% share in as many dogs possible who are Owned NSW.
As a Victorian person Owning a Greyhound in NSW I can stop any Forced action by NSW Government and the NSW RSPCA on any dog Owned by myself .
I am even prepared to help arrange to PURCHASE a property close to the Border of Victoria and NSW to whelp down and registerer Pups to 3 months of age and then they can be sent back to the 99% Share part Owners in NSW to finish rearing .
I retain 1% of all prize money to be give to Adoption Groups...
Would this idea work who knows but i am willing to help as many people as i can in NSW . Racing will return in NSW and it will be bigger and better .
Baird is as we all Know will not last in Power and the writing is already on the wall .Hang in stay strong and keep FIGHTING ...
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6023 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 21:13
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This makes our predicament (Closure, and unable to relocate) dire. How will Baird& Co factor this into their Assistance Package? Why is no compensation forthcoming (there decision not ours). I can remember Little Johnny (Howard)brother's business going belly/up and Johnny using Tax/Payer money to bail him out. Hypocritical.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 24 Aug 2016 21:15
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Clause 16 of the legislation stipulates that it only applies to 'greyhounds kept in NSW' for racing 'in or out of NSW'
Subsection 5 says that 'keep' for the purpose of this clause does not include 'transport the greyhound in NSW to a place outside NSW'
Therefore, if you move a dog to another State outside NSW you are not keeping a dog for racing in or out of NSW
Subsection 2 establishes transition period for the period after closure date (1/7/17) where:
1. the greyhound was registered under the greyhound racing rules before closure and the dog was kept for racing and
2. the dog was kept for racing after the date to race outside NSW
So basically for a period of time you will be able to rear dogs in NSW that were already registered for racing before closure i.e.pups here for a period of time as long as they are raced outside NSW
Clause 19 of what constitutes a 'registered greyhound' seems a little confusing and ambiguous
Is it a 'named' greyhound or a greyhound that is 'earbranded and microchipped' with papers issued?
If it is the latter, who is going to register the racing name of the greyhound after 1 July 2017?
Mark Arncliffe Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 3 / Races 0 25 Aug 2016 12:22
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Clause 16 of the legislation stipulates that it only applies to 'greyhounds kept in NSW' for racing 'in or out of NSW'
Subsection 5 says that 'keep' for the purpose of this clause does not include 'transport the greyhound in NSW to a place outside NSW'
Therefore, if you move a dog to another State outside NSW you are not keeping a dog for racing in or out of NSW
Subsection 2 establishes transition period for the period after closure date (1/7/17) where:
1. the greyhound was registered under the greyhound racing rules before closure and the dog was kept for racing and
2. the dog was kept for racing after the date to race outside NSW
So basically for a period of time you will be able to rear dogs in NSW that were already registered for racing before closure i.e.pups here for a period of time as long as they are raced outside NSW
Clause 19 of what constitutes a 'registered greyhound' seems a little confusing and ambiguous
Is it a 'named' greyhound or a greyhound that is 'earbranded and microchipped' with papers issued?
If it is the latter, who is going to register the racing name of the greyhound after 1 July 2017?
How or where do you think you will get a licence to race anywhere as 1st July Grnsw won't be here our licences expire 30th June
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 25 Aug 2016 22:36
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