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Robyn Wrightson Australia (Verified User) Posts 205 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 09:50
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Copied with permission from
Charlie Wilson
Hi Guys, This post mainly applies for those of you who live in NSW and are now affected by the ban on Greyhound Racing due to come into effect in July 2017. To those who know me personally, they will understand what I'm about to say and how I am about to explain it. Firstly, guys - stop with the negativity and pick yourselves up and be resilient. The people who fight for what's right are the people who are successful. What happened last night was a massive change for the history of Greyhound Racing. BUT it could also be very beneficial to anybody who has balls! I know from personal experience, because I have done it myself - and won - against the government, an individual can file an injunction against legislation to cease a decision made by federal or state law. So what I'm saying is that you need to put this into 2 parts; the ban is in place. You can't change the governments decision. That's final. BUT it's not up to the government to decide who is at an economic loss or how much compensation an individual is due as a result of the ban. I am good friends with a human rights barrister, Greg Barns. Please Google him and familiarise yourselves with him if you are unsure as to who he is. I spoke with him this morning on the phone and I asked him the specific questions that needed to be answered for this: 1. Can an individual file an injunction against Mike Baird/the NSW State Government? His answer was, YES, there is a legal argument for it. 2. There needs to be economic loss, which stems as a result of the decision made by the government early this morning. For example, the ban taking your trainers license - that's economic loss. An individual can take an injunction against this legislation and have it brought before a Magistrate. I personally did this with a very large government organization and every legal professional laughed at me when I did it. But I'm telling you, it will work! You have 37,000 petitions. How much is that in economic loss? Imagine is a class action was filed for that amount of economic loss. Mr. Baird would hang himself! No government could afford to get out of that. Mr. Barns has said to me this morning in our conversation, that he WILL represent the greyhound racing industry and would be willing to challenge economic loss. Guys, at 3:30 this morning, every greyhound asset in this country just decreased in value dramatically. This should have already been done and filed when this decision was handed down early this morning. As I live in Victoria, I cannot take this action myself. If I was in NSW however, I would prove a point and put my name on the line to show you that it could be done. So, I'm asking all participants, workers and owners, anyone affected by this ban, to listen to what I'm saying as I'm only trying to help you all. If you are unsuccessful with the above, you can file a complaint for litigation through the human rights commission of Australia for compensation from the state. There are many avenues that can be taken. I have spoken to the best in the industry today and what I get and take from it is Mr Baird has you all bullied and in a hole. I reiterate again, this Barrister is the absolute cream. He has represented some of the biggest cases our country has seen. He is an ex political advisor to the Howard Government. The Howard Government was a Liberal Party, who is the party currently in power right now in NSW? He knows exactly how the party works and thinks. Guys, everybody has too many things going through their heads and you all need to start thinking outside the box. Take a step back, remove all the negative thoughts about the situation, and think long and hard about what Ive just said. Governments CAN be sued and held liable. Please do read up about Mr. Barns. You can contact me directly as he advised me to find any people that are interested in proceeding with this action. Do not rely on your governing bodies to fix the problem in fact they will probably stuff it up more!! The quicker you act the faster you rattle the government. For example if you have a car accident when do you go to the doctors a week later ? or straight away? Its not overly complex anyone can walk into a court house and file anything they want and has to be heard, your case just has to have merit!!
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:01
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ALL YOU GUYS IN NSW,LISTEN TO THIS GUY,GET THE BALL ROLLING
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:06
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Who is Charlie Wilson
Dan Hollywood Australia (Verified User) Posts 4166 Dogs 3 / Races 3 24 Aug 2016 10:06
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Yep, every single one of you
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:29
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Well there you go, brilliant. Its not hard when you know how! How come our Legal team hasnt come up with this???? Sounds like we should have hired Greg to handle our case! Im all for this 100%.So should everyone else! Ive heard today thar some big time players in the Industry have joined together with their own lawyer to fight this, so why cant we do the same as Charlie has said. Charlie what are your contact details please!??
Robyn Wrightson Australia (Verified User) Posts 205 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:34
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Charlie Wilson has posted this on Facebook on Greyhound Buy Swap Sell page. Obviously somebody that wants to help
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 24 Aug 2016 10:38
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hayden gilders wrote:
Who is Charlie Wilson
What or who is Charlie Wilson ..
Charlie as you can read is a person who knows what he is talking about maybe .....
Shane... you are passionate and you have a bit of understanding about legal processes ....Like many of us Keyboard Warriors Mate what we don't know we Google it or ask Siri or You Tube for help .LOL
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:38
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hey shane ,thats how they saved the bulldogs,when they wanted to obliterate them,it just took one old shiela to file an injuction in the supreme court,then everyone came out and it hit the fan big time,moral of the story," you can,t roll the dice if you dont pay the price,so come on trainers lets get the ball rolling
Nathan Bendeich Australia (Verified User) Posts 1223 Dogs 13 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 10:38
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Awesome simple constructive advice !! I imagine the most affected and most influential barring the heaviest lost that would be noticed most by all parties would be no other then Mr Wheeler wouldn't it !!! Mark Swain !!! Etc. Biggest players / biggest reaction !!! Is there any need for this advice to be kept behind closed doors so to speak ??
Well done Charlie and friend
If anyone needs a lift I'll take you !!!! to wet to lay bricks tomorrow , genuine offer !! Let's get half the trainers in there ..... 2-3000 persons !!! Would this advice and action be damaging to our steering committee /legal team Tony Gallagher ???
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:01
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Robyn Wrightson wrote:
Charlie Wilson has posted this on Facebook on Greyhound Buy Swap Sell page. Obviously somebody that wants to help
He may well want to help (as do most ) but surely the offer should be extended to the already established industry legal reps rather than offerings at the micro level
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:01
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Im just sitting here now after all the crap we have gone through,smiling, saying fk yes finally.I just knew there had to be a way to stop this complete and utter wrong doing! I'll glady be the first one to walk in and file whatever I need to get an injunction put on this, ill put my balls on the line 100%.I just need to speak to Charlie to get some direction on this.Lets do this people, money is the only thing that can stop me!!! If anyone from the alliance is reading this as im sure you are, maybe talk to your legal team,put your/our money behind the idea, if thats what we need, ill be the first to sign it, no matter what the fk this takes, this has to be done, not in a couple of weeks like Charlie has stated, but right now, Thursday, Friday, Monday, Tuesday at the latest.This is how we win.Thankyou from the bottom of my Heart Charlie, you may well be our saviour!!
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:10
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Yes offer this to our legal reps! If they dont want to try this, well something is very, very wrong in our team.If they dont want to, ill talk to Charlie, talk to Greg Barns, file it myself, and hopefully get some support from all concerned.Ill set up my own bloody trust fund if I have to, so people can donate.Hope you are taking this on board Alliance? We have been shown the way, its like Moses parting the Ocean for us, lets walk straight through to the promised land, and I repeat, im not religious.
John Toye Australia (Verified User) Posts 123 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:13
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the barrister hes talking about greg barnes is a very learned man,ring him up shane get him on the case ,he might represent PRO BONO ,HES REAL BIG ON HUMAN RIGHTS,WRITTEN BOOKS ETC,give him a bell shane his contact is on google hell give you charlies number as there good friends
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:18
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JOHN TOYE wrote:
the barrister hes talking about greg barnes is a very learned man,ring him up shane get him on the case ,he might represent PRO BONO ,HES REAL BIG ON HUMAN RIGHTS,WRITTEN BOOKS ETC,give him a bell shane his contact is on google hell give you charlies number as there good friends
Yes was just reading about him.Love the fact he has written a book called"Whats wrong with the Liberal Party".I like this bloke already.
Shane Lippel Australia (Verified User) Posts 667 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:23
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JOHN TOYE wrote:
the barrister hes talking about greg barnes is a very learned man,ring him up shane get him on the case ,he might represent PRO BONO ,HES REAL BIG ON HUMAN RIGHTS,WRITTEN BOOKS ETC,give him a bell shane his contact is on google hell give you charlies number as there good friends
Oh yeah, thanks again google, I even have his mobile number. NOW ITS TIME TO GO FOR THE THROAT, Game on!!!
Hayden Gilders Australia (Verified User) Posts 993 Dogs 29 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 11:25
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Dr Seuz writes good books too
Tony Gallagher Australia (Team Member) Posts 5910 Dogs 12949 / Races 40209 24 Aug 2016 12:14
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nathan bendeich wrote:
Awesome simple constructive advice !! I imagine the most affected and most influential barring the heaviest lost that would be noticed most by all parties would be no other then Mr Wheeler wouldn't it !!! Mark Swain !!! Etc. Biggest players / biggest reaction !!! Is there any need for this advice to be kept behind closed doors so to speak ??
Well done Charlie and friend
If anyone needs a lift I'll take you !!!! to wet to lay bricks tomorrow , genuine offer !! Let's get half the trainers in there ..... 2-3000 persons !!! Would this advice and action be damaging to our steering committee /legal team Tony Gallagher ???
It sounds good to me Nathan, as I said before I am not on the steering committee so cannot speak for them.
Surley a decision like this has everyone stressed to the point where they need medical help...pay the doc a visit asap
Steve Harvey Australia (Verified User) Posts 1175 Dogs 0 / Races 0 24 Aug 2016 21:07
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Try & keep ya "heads" in the right space G.D'ers. This is FAR from being the end of NSW K9 racing ! I know how all of us r feeling at the moment but DON'T give up yet ! Chins up fellow K9'ers & have some faith in the legal avenues ok. Fond regards 2 all. Steve...