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Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 07 Aug 2017 05:11
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Two maidens at the Meadows on Wednesday - both 7 dog fields - only two first starters - one in each race.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 07 Aug 2017 06:44
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Nicholas Arena wrote:
Two maidens at the Meadows on Wednesday - both 7 dog fields - only two first starters - one in each race.
one trainer has 6 runners , 3 in each , boxes 234 in each lol
Charles W Mizzi Australia (Verified User) Posts 684 Dogs 1 / Races 1 09 Aug 2017 23:10
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Sandown Sunday 13th 10 races
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 24 Aug 2017 07:45
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Wentworth Park - Saturday. 9 x 520m 1 x 720m
7 x 520m 5th Gde races - full fields + 2 reserves 1 x 520m 4th Gde - 7 starters 1 x 520m FFA - full field - no reserves. 1 x 720m NG - 7 starters.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 31 Aug 2017 07:35
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Albion Pk. 9 x 520m 1 x 600m
2 x 520m Novice - 8 starters - no reserves. 5 x 520m 5th Gde races - 8 starters - 2 reserves. 1 x 520m 5/M Gde - 8 starters - no reserves. 1 x 520m 3/4Gd - 8 starters - no reserves. 1 x 600 4/5Gd - 8 starters - no reserves.
NO "Best 8" events. NO 710m events.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Sep 2017 03:36
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The shortage takes another step
Over the years & on most race tracks across the country, events such as the DERBY'S & FUTURITY'S have been running for a reason. They offer an age restricted race for a group of young up & coming greyhounds (& hopefuls) that will showcase the industry over the next 18/24 months.
On race nights, these races usually attract a larger crowd due to the prestigious occasion which in turns, encourages families to come & see & experience these great animals doing what they love best.....CHASE & RUN.
Tomorrow night sees the running of the 2017 Ipswich Futurity & Derby which has been running for over 30 years. Heats are raced on one week, followed by the final the next. It's been like this since day dot......Well until NOW.
This year both the IPSWICH DERBY & FUTURITY series have been reduced to a Best 8. That's right. No Heats obviously due to a lack of nominations, & that can only be blamed on the lack of breeding over the past 24 months.
Now without taking anything away from those lucky enough to have runners engaged as they obviously deserve their chance of winning & are the best of the best, check out the fields & then ask yourself......Are the new breeding regulations, restrictions & absorbent fees that have handed down by the people that think they no best, are they really WORKING???
Well the answer to that question is like owning a double edged sword. There could be a several outcomes should you decide to start swinging it. If you were a greyhound participant, the answer to that question would be simple. No they're not working. If you were a zealot the answer would be, yes they are working. But if you were the rule makers for this industry! Well I'm not one of them so I can't answer that...but If I was or could offer some advise I'd say you better put your thinking caps on & increase breeding by at least another 25% on current levels, because the 60% drop in breeding over the last 24 months won't cut it......that's if you want to fulfill all your obligations contracts & agreements.
As shown this Saturday at Ipswich, this is just the start of the traditional down fall & it's time somebody showed us which side of the fence your sitting on because D-DAY for the industry "As We Know It", is a knocking.
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2017 04:04
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Ipswich Derby & Futurity fields have been very poor for quite a few years. I think it has more to do with low prizemoney than lack of available dogs. There were a few quality young dogs racing at Albion last night.
As long as 5 or 8 win the Derby I'll be happy!
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Sep 2017 04:15
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Robert Morris wrote:
Ipswich Derby & Futurity fields have been very poor for quite a few years
Not in regards to the amount of heats conducted Rob.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 Sep 2017 04:36
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steven martin wrote:
The shortage takes another step
Over the years & on most race tracks across the country, events such as the DERBY'S & FUTURITY'S have been running for a reason. They offer an age restricted race for a group of young up & coming greyhounds (& hopefuls) that will showcase the industry over the next 18/24 months.
On race nights, these races usually attract a larger crowd due to the prestigious occasion which in turns, encourages families to come & see & experience these great animals doing what they love best.....CHASE & RUN.
Tomorrow night sees the running of the 2017 Ipswich Futurity & Derby which has been running for over 30 years. Heats are raced on one week, followed by the final the next. It's been like this since day dot......Well until NOW.
This year both the IPSWICH DERBY & FUTURITY series have been reduced to a Best 8. That's right. No Heats obviously due to a lack of nominations, & that can only be blamed on the lack of breeding over the past 24 months.
Now without taking anything away from those lucky enough to have runners engaged as they obviously deserve their chance of winning & are the best of the best, check out the fields & then ask yourself......Are the new breeding regulations, restrictions & absorbent fees that have handed down by the people that think they no best, are they really WORKING???
Well the answer to that question is like owning a double edged sword. There could be a several outcomes should you decide to start swinging it. If you were a greyhound participant, the answer to that question would be simple. No they're not working. If you were a zealot the answer would be, yes they are working. But if you were the rule makers for this industry! Well I'm not one of them so I can't answer that...but If I was or could offer some advise I'd say you better put your thinking caps on & increase breeding by at least another 25% on current levels, because the 60% drop in breeding over the last 24 months won't cut it......that's if you want to fulfill all your obligations contracts & agreements.
As shown this Saturday at Ipswich, this is just the start of the traditional down fall & it's time somebody showed us which side of the fence your sitting on because D-DAY for the industry "As We Know It", is a knocking.
Am I right in saying that these are the first age races since the incredible, innovative decision to reduce eligibility from 30mths to 27mths, Steve???
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 01 Sep 2017 04:41
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steven martin wrote:
Robert Morris wrote:
Ipswich Derby & Futurity fields have been very poor for quite a few years
Not in regards to the amount of heats conducted Rob.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Sep 2017 07:19
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Am I right in saying that these are the first age races since the incredible, innovative decision to reduce eligibility from 30mths to 27mths, Steve???
I totally forgot all about that stupid decision Michael. Thx for reminding me.
Who was the hair-brain that thought of reducing the age limit & who were the hair-brains that voted YES to such a stupid stupid....I'll say it again....Such a Stupid Stupid thought??? Why would you even consider even implementing such a ruling while the outlook in the industry is so clouded at the moment regarding breeding numbers!!!
Fair dinkum... I'm gob smacked.
Talk about bring the industry down on its knees.
This just proves there's more to story.
The judgement on this ruling needs reviewing & re-instated back to what it once was IMMEDIATELY.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Sep 2017 07:23
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Robert Morris wrote:
From memory I dont think those were full fields
Your most probably right Rob but at least you had to earn the right to make the final by completing in a heat.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 01 Sep 2017 07:37
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Michael Geraghty wrote:
Am I right in saying that these are the first age races since the incredible, innovative decision to reduce eligibility from 30mths to 27mths, Steve???
Michael. It also proves beyond doubt the lack of experience on the board that's NEEDED in making such decisions.
Please note.....those on the board can ring me during working hours ANYTIME, should they need a second opinion on anything relating to greyhounds. It won't cost you a cent & I won't bite your head off....But I can offer you an honest opinion as I've just done & hopefully point you in the right direction.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 01 Sep 2017 10:20
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steven martin wrote:
Michael Geraghty wrote:
Am I right in saying that these are the first age races since the incredible, innovative decision to reduce eligibility from 30mths to 27mths, Steve???
I totally forgot all about that stupid decision Michael. Thx for reminding me.
Who was the hair-brain that thought of reducing the age limit & who were the hair-brains that voted YES to such a stupid stupid....I'll say it again....Such a Stupid Stupid thought??? Why would you even consider even implementing such a ruling while the outlook in the industry is so clouded at the moment regarding breeding numbers!!!
Fair dinkum... I'm gob smacked.
Talk about bring the industry down on its knees.
This just proves there's more to story.
The judgement on this ruling needs reviewing & re-instated back to what it once was IMMEDIATELY.
Lol...thought I'd get a bite.
Here is the release from RQ... 20 Jul 2017 Racing Queensland advises stakeholders of changes to eligibility rules for AGRA approved age restricted Group races for the 2017-18 racing season and beyond.
The age of eligibility has been lowered from 30 months to 27 months.
It was considered that 30 month old greyhounds were often fully mature and had a distinct advantage over younger greyhounds in age restricted Group races.
Locally this will affect races such as the Group 2 Queensland Derby, Group 2 Bogie Leigh Futurity and Group 3 Flying Amy Classic.
The Ipswich Derby and Ipswich Futurity, to be conducted in September 2017, will also be lowered to 27 months to be consistent with the corresponding events at Albion Park.
The cut-off age for all other age restricted races in Queensland will remain the same.
So, at 30mths Greyhounds fully mature, anything under that they are immature. So, by the reasoning put forward, all age classics all involve immature competitors. So, a Greyhound at 27mths will have the same immaturity as at 19mths? So, we now have a situation where at an average starting age of a dog is say 24mths, it now has only 3 MONTHS of racing to be eligible for the classics? So, a bitch starts racing, shows huge potential, then, bugger me, she comes on season and guess what? Yep, by the time you get her back, well, she can no longer run in age restricted races...not one shot at it. So, now that the breeding is down 60%, that's SIXTY PERCENT LESS dogs in the pool to run for these races, THEN on top of that, they now have a shorter time frame to qualify.
So, is this a good idea? Look at the Ipswich scenario NOW and let your imagination wonder about the near future when there will be LESS dogs available than NOW.
Let's see if the people responsible for the decision can put it down to a lack of concentration and throw it out the window and into the rubbish bin before it becomes more embarrassing.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 07 Sep 2017 04:40
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SA Oaks Description Because of lack of Breeding 2 years ago. There is a Lach of Nomernatio for the event. Cancelled last week. If you have Bitch's welped on or after 31st June 2015. Nominate now. $25,000 to the winner ANGLE PARK
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Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 07 Sep 2017 09:04
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Shoalhaven GRC Ladbrokes Nowra.
The Spring Puppy Classic 520m that was scheduled mid November 2017, has been Cancelled.
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7405 Dogs 26 / Races 9 07 Sep 2017 09:20
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Mark Staines wrote:
SA Oaks Description Because of lack of Breeding 2 years ago. There is a Lach of Nomernatio for the event. Cancelled last week. If you have Bitch's welped on or after 31st June 2015. Nominate now. $25,000 to the winner ANGLE PARK
Contact Name Martin J Hanke Contact Address Australia Phone email contact now! (ad posted on 07-Sep-17)
they changed the whelp date for this race , this year another big mistake
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 07 Sep 2017 09:34
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Mark Staines wrote:
SA Oaks Description Because of lack of Breeding 2 years ago. There is a Lach of Nomernatio for the event. Cancelled last week. If you have Bitch's welped on or after 31st June 2015. Nominate now. $25,000 to the winner ANGLE PARK
Contact Name Martin J Hanke Contact Address Australia Phone email contact now! (ad posted on 07-Sep-17)
It's a great time to have a handy 27 mth old dog!
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 2 / Races 0 09 Sep 2017 04:34
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Why does it seem that in most states the leaders seem to be so blatantly stupid as to what is good and what is bad for our sport.Are they not seeing what is happening blind freddy can see it but they seem to be ignoring all the signs that stand out like dog's balls,yet they keep introducing new rules that are detremental to greyhound racing in all states, Breeding started to decline when the ban was introduced, they should know that this was going to have a tremendous effect on breeding when nobody knew what the future held,So why not bring in something to encourage people to breed again [Eg substantial breeding bonuses can be a start] get rid of the rule where only a certain number of greyhounds can be bred,stop bending over to every whim the do gooders bring up, welfare issues have become so bloody ridiculous that SOON, every time a dog has a bowel movement we will be forced to wipe it's backside with with antiseptic toilet paper.
IMO until we get racing ministers in place that actually have a passion for racing and not just using the position as a stepping stone for their career it's always going to be a struggle for the sport to prosper.
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