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Robert Morris
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I've bred a litter this month but I'll be selling all as pups. I can't find homes for the other racedogs I currently own & ive only got a few. I think the industry has to put more $$ into rehoming & not put any extra costs or onus on the owner otherwise the industry will have no one buying pups.


Tony Digiorgio
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18 Oct 2017 08:57


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Robert,

With the ridiculous prices some breeders are putting on pups no wonder they don't want to breed anymore.
How can you entice "new blood" owners into the sport if they can't afford to enter it at the beginning of the cycle. It is more cost effective to buy a 20% share in a horse than to buy a dog nowadays so until realistic prices are put on pups at ear branding the sport will die a natural death.
Greed has got the better of a lot of dog people, therefore the pool of owners being able to keep a dog at the end of it's career will continue to shrink.



Mark Donohue
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18 Oct 2017 10:36


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Didn't you write that one needs to remain positive rather than be negative? Anyway, I have no idea what is a good price for a pup, but it's what someone is willing to pay for one.




Simon Moore
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18 Oct 2017 11:52


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I think Tony the point is clear that just telling people that the only answer is for people to start breeding more is not working and won't change until many of the unjust hurdles are withdrawn.
The only ones that are not acknowledging it are the very people running the industry. And if they don't fix it soon they themselves will be without a job.


Tony Digiorgio
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18 Oct 2017 21:59


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Mark Donohue wrote:

Didn't you write that one needs to remain positive rather than be negative? Anyway, I have no idea what is a good price for a pup, but it's what someone is willing to pay for one.

Mark,

I'm not being negative at all. Hypothetically speaking if pups are listed at a realistic price, they will sell. Say, a bitch has 8 pups and six are sold. Those sold may be to syndicates consisting of numerous owners therefore giving the pups more chance of being adopted by one of the owners after their racing career is over.
As things stand now breeders are complaining that they can't sell pups. Why? Maybe the price tag is too high ?? They then become disgruntled with the industry because they can't sell them and walk away. Currently there is no incentive for "new" owners to get involved.
Why doesn't our industry follow the thoroughbred industry's lead and have breeders retain shares in all pups and syndicate the rest of the shares as the horse trainers, breeders, etc currently do. Maybe because they want to make a "quick buck" and then make it someone else's problem.

It all starts at the beginning of the cycle and unless that part is addressed then the problem will continue. Similar to a contractor putting up a new building. First the foundations, then the rest will follow in sequence. Unless, the foundations are laid right the rest will be a failure.
Sorry, for raving on but this is just the way I see it.



Nicholas Arena
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18 Oct 2017 22:29


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Tony the problems are much deeper and not related solely to cost - I have a number of litters I had been selectively trying to give away or place on 50/50 deals as we have too many dogs and the inability to move on those that are not going to make it have blocked up the pipeline,thereby preventing me from putting whole litters into work- guess what? I am finding it hard to place them as people want performed dogs/times on the board to cut down their risks of taking on pups that may not make it to the track and in turn they are stuck with them.

The point missed in the Welfare debate is the industry is supported by many participants who do not own properties - many live in cities or Suburbia, hence life cycle ownership is not practical if one considers breeding or owning multiple dogs.I , like many would rather spend my hard earned on lifestyle then supporting greyhounds ageing on greyhound rearing properties.

The shortage is a combination of, a lack of breeding/investor confidence - the life cycle/welfare rules - the costs to maintain idle dogs that are sitting in kennels and yards literally waiting to grow old and die. Tell the Authorities this and all you will get is "these are the rules the problem is yours not ours". Of course we all know these same problems are as a result of the regulations introduced by under skilled Administrators pandering to Social Media or Politicians.
Until the Industry can provide Investor certainty and financial rewards to those that invest ( all participants) then the Industry will not survive - it is literally being strangled slowly from within - this is a non debatable fact.


Simon Moore
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18 Oct 2017 23:22


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Tony Digiorgio wrote:

Mark Donohue wrote:

Didn't you write that one needs to remain positive rather than be negative? Anyway, I have no idea what is a good price for a pup, but it's what someone is willing to pay for one.

Mark,

I'm not being negative at all. Hypothetically speaking if pups are listed at a realistic price, they will sell. Say, a bitch has 8 pups and six are sold. Those sold may be to syndicates consisting of numerous owners therefore giving the pups more chance of being adopted by one of the owners after their racing career is over.
As things stand now breeders are complaining that they can't sell pups. Why? Maybe the price tag is too high ?? They then become disgruntled with the industry because they can't sell them and walk away. Currently there is no incentive for "new" owners to get involved.
Why doesn't our industry follow the thoroughbred industry's lead and have breeders retain shares in all pups and syndicate the rest of the shares as the horse trainers, breeders, etc currently do. Maybe because they want to make a "quick buck" and then make it someone else's problem.

It all starts at the beginning of the cycle and unless that part is addressed then the problem will continue. Similar to a contractor putting up a new building. First the foundations, then the rest will follow in sequence. Unless, the foundations are laid right the rest will be a failure.
Sorry, for raving on but this is just the way I see it.


tony,

the problems have nothing to do with what price pups are being advertised for. that's a bit of dribble regarding breeders being disgruntled for that reason and walking away imo.

the problems are the rules and regulations and constant victimisation of participants that is why people are not breeding. as well as added costs etc.

and if that doesn't change then we are in big trouble.


Tony Digiorgio
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18 Oct 2017 23:36


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Nicholas Arena wrote:

Tony the problems are much deeper and not related solely to cost - I have a number of litters I had been selectively trying to give away or place on 50/50 deals as we have too many dogs and the inability to move on those that are not going to make it have blocked up the pipeline,thereby preventing me from putting whole litters into work- guess what? I am finding it hard to place them as people want performed dogs/times on the board to cut down their risks of taking on pups that may not make it to the track and in turn they are stuck with them.

The point missed in the Welfare debate is the industry is supported by many participants who do not own properties - many live in cities or Suburbia, hence life cycle ownership is not practical if one considers breeding or owning multiple dogs.I , like many would rather spend my hard earned on lifestyle then supporting greyhounds ageing on greyhound rearing properties.

The shortage is a combination of, a lack of breeding/investor confidence - the life cycle/welfare rules - the costs to maintain idle dogs that are sitting in kennels and yards literally waiting to grow old and die. Tell the Authorities this and all you will get is "these are the rules the problem is yours not ours". Of course we all know these same problems are as a result of the regulations introduced by under skilled Administrators pandering to Social Media or Politicians.
Until the Industry can provide Investor certainty and financial rewards to those that invest ( all participants) then the Industry will not survive - it is literally being strangled slowly from within - this is a non debatable fact.

Nicholas,
Are those dogs advertised on here?



Nicholas Arena
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18 Oct 2017 23:47


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No Tony - I am in no mood to deal with Trye Kickers - I have "discretely" trying to place them with people I know/can trust.
Cheers



Nicholas Arena
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18 Oct 2017 23:53


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No Tony - I am in no mood to deal with Tyre Kickers - I have been "discretely" trying to place them with people I know/can trust.
Cheers



Terry Jordan
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19 Oct 2017 00:12


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Nicholas Arena wrote:

Tony the problems are much deeper and not related solely to cost - I have a number of litters I had been selectively trying to give away or place on 50/50 deals as we have too many dogs and the inability to move on those that are not going to make it have blocked up the pipeline,thereby preventing me from putting whole litters into work- guess what? I am finding it hard to place them as people want performed dogs/times on the board to cut down their risks of taking on pups that may not make it to the track and in turn they are stuck with them.

The point missed in the Welfare debate is the industry is supported by many participants who do not own properties - many live in cities or Suburbia, hence life cycle ownership is not practical if one considers breeding or owning multiple dogs.I , like many would rather spend my hard earned on lifestyle then supporting greyhounds ageing on greyhound rearing properties.

The shortage is a combination of, a lack of breeding/investor confidence - the life cycle/welfare rules - the costs to maintain idle dogs that are sitting in kennels and yards literally waiting to grow old and die. Tell the Authorities this and all you will get is "these are the rules the problem is yours not ours". Of course we all know these same problems are as a result of the regulations introduced by under skilled Administrators pandering to Social Media or Politicians.
Until the Industry can provide Investor certainty and financial rewards to those that invest ( all participants) then the Industry will not survive - it is literally being strangled slowly from within - this is a non debatable fact.


Oh so very true Nicholas! cut straight to the core. Unfortunately our Administrators just placed it in the "To Hard Basket". Another fact.


Ian Bradshaw
Australia
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25 Oct 2017 23:24


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simon moore wrote:

Only 8 races @ Potts Park and only 7 @ Lithgow.

I've never seen it like this before. Normally plenty of dogs that don't get a run.

It's disgusting what those in charge have done to this industry.

Only 9 races at Mandurah TAB meeting in W.A. tonight.

One vacant box in race 1
Two vacant boxes in race 9




Ian Bradshaw
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28 Oct 2017 02:43


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What's going on over in the wild west?
Are they running out of dogs?
Or just getting ready for 6-dog fields?

Cannington tonight, eleven race program, before scratchings.

race no. 2 -- 3 - VACANT BOX
2 -- 6 - VACANT BOX

7 -- 3 - VACANT BOX
7 -- 6 - VACANT BOX

9 -- 3 - VACANT BOX
9 -- 5 - VACANT BOX
9 -- 7 - VACANT BOX

10 -- 5 - VACANT BOX

11 -- 5 - VACANT BOX



Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:13


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Rockhampton
10 races.
5 races - full fields - 2 reserves
4 races - only 7 dog fields.
1 race - only 6 dog field.
no races for 3 Grade dogs over 510m plus.



Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:18


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Capalaba

6 races.
1 race - full field.
3 races - only 7 dog fields.
2 races - only 5 dog fields.

39 dogs in total.



Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:21


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Townsville

10 races.
1 race - full field + 2 reserves.
4 races - full field - no reserves.
4 races - only 7 dog fields.
1 race - only 6 dog field.

39 dogs in total.



Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:27


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Cannington - Saturday Night

10 races.

1 race - full field + 2 reserves.
2 races - full field - no reserves.
4 races - only 7 dog fields.
3 race - only 6 dog field.





Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:34


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Port Augusta

8 races.

2 races - full field + 2 reserves.
1 race - full field - no reserves.
3 races - only 7 dog fields.
2 race - only 6 dog field



Steven Martin
Australia
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03 Nov 2017 11:40


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Mt Gambier

10 races.

2 races - full field + 1 reserves.
5 race - full field - no reserves.
2 races - only 6 dog fields.
1 race - only 5 dog field




Steven Martin
Australia
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15 Nov 2017 05:19


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Rockhampton - 8 races.

Cairns - 6 races.

Bundaberg - 7 races.

Albion Pk Monday
1 x 600m
4 x 520m
2 x 395m
3 x 331m

The lights are getting dimmer & dimmer every month in the State of Queensland.

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