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Bradley Miller
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Everyone is aware there is a shortage of dogs for races at the moment but the only way to fix it is breeding!! posting field number and stating the obvious does nothing!!
If people are not breeding what are they doing with their brood bitches? All we here is people arenít breeding, I understand some people are apprehensive in the current environment and thatís fair enough but there are also plenty of people out there willing to breed just looking for a nice Brood bitch to do so! So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!



Steven Martin
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15 Nov 2017 10:24


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Bradley miller wrote:

So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!


I don't think the question is WHAT are they doing with these brood-bitches, as their obviously sitting at home on the couch.

The question should be WHY aren't they breeding with these nice broods?

Well a few negative reasons come straight to mind since Feb 2015.

1. Victimized.
2. Alienated.
3. Lies.
4. Scandals.
5. Fees.
6. Rules.
7. Prize money reduction.
8. More lies.

Where do I stop.

The sport of "Greyhounds" is a HOBBY to most.

Most were made to feel like criminals at this time.

And even now after a recent report that was released last week PROVING that the NSW Government (at the time) were deliberately fueling the public with lies through adds, fully paid by the tax payer....there's still hasn't been an apology, or any positive action to go forward from the PTB.

It's obvious the breeding hobbyist has NO faith in the system or those running it.

Until the word FUN is put back into HOBBY, the current situation will remain......unfortunately.

That's my take on it from a person that has been in the sport since SATAN'S LEGEND graced the turf at HPK. And I've still got decades to go in a sport that I have nothing but passion for.


David Charles Griffiths
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15 Nov 2017 13:53


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Silk Mac has thrown 4 individual City winners now Stevo........
She is a little delight Ol'SILK MAC..............
BDB in the heats of the Bold Trease on Friday..


Nicholas Arena
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Steve the number major reasons I have wound back significantly (1 litter in 2 years) is because if the Lure rules and the "Life Cycle" ownership regulation. If you are relying on 3rd parties to raise pups and trainers to an investor is on the road to ruin under these regulations; a person simply could not afford to sustain boarding cots awaiting a dog to grow old and die.Talk about welfare and a miserable for a dog to exist.

To me these are the only two matters that we all should be discussing - getting as many dogs as possible to chase and stay interested in chasing and secondly getting them through the rearing and racing life cycle.Gap and Pets play a role but they won't take up all post racing greyhounds. By banning exports and implementing restrictive euthanasia rules breeders are hamstrung - particularly those that invest and do not own properties.


Trevor John Rhodes
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15 Nov 2017 22:13


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It doesn't hurt for a bitch to miss while we wait!

I humanely euthanased two very healthy 9 month old lambs yesterday and hung them in the cool room. I don't need a permit to own,breed or rear them or pay any fees apart from my rates.
I decide the stocking rate, paddock size, fence heights and construction without anyone inspecting me and beavering away at new regulations apart from electronic identification ear tags.

I have 4 retired greyhounds running round on a property which requires a permit for more than 5 dogs, I have been inspected by GRV and comply.
I paid GA for DNA, I pay for pink cards, I pay GA $1200 to register a stud dog then $50 registration per breeding unit even though they are submitted on the same form. Litter registration, ear branding fees fees fees.

Why aren't we breeding?

Cost.

Over regulation

Uncertainty.

Decision makers running scared from Political masters bombarded by activists and trying to guess outcomes with too little industry input despite the plethora of capable experienced participants with dog, business and legal expertise. E.G Dumb draft C.O.P. two years in the making rejected and now waiting for the academic revamp.

If you haven't got a property paying weekly fees to keep retired dogs puts a damper on that.
At least property owners can retire and keep them until their retired dogs equal their permit numbers then they stop. Adoption will extend the end date.

Waiving breeding fees might get a few newbies to have a crack. Until they understand what is affecting the core breeding will stagnate.

Meanwhile the Victorian government debates a human euthanasia bill.




Mark Staines
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15 Nov 2017 22:36


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steven martin wrote:

Bradley miller wrote:

So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!


I don't think the question is WHAT are they doing with these brood-bitches, as their obviously sitting at home on the couch.

The question should be WHY aren't they breeding with these nice broods?

Well a few negative reasons come straight to mind since Feb 2015.

1. Victimized.
2. Alienated.
3. Lies.
4. Scandals.
5. Fees.
6. Rules.
7. Prize money reduction.
8. More lies.

Where do I stop.

The sport of "Greyhounds" is a HOBBY to most.

Most were made to feel like criminals at this time.

And even now after a recent report that was released last week PROVING that the NSW Government (at the time) were deliberately fueling the public with lies through adds, fully paid by the tax payer....there's still hasn't been an apology, or any positive action to go forward from the PTB.

It's obvious the breeding hobbyist has NO faith in the system or those running it.

Until the word FUN is put back into HOBBY, the current situation will remain......unfortunately.

That's my take on it from a person that has been in the sport since SATAN'S LEGEND graced the turf at HPK. And I've still got decades to go in a sport that I have nothing but passion for.

Steve dont worry Brenton and his GBOTA will save the industry, dont you have a nice Brood for that Kiowa Sweet Trey straw lol.



Steven Martin
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Mark Staines wrote:

Steve dont worry Brenton and his GBOTA will save the industry, dont you have a nice Brood for that Kiowa Sweet Trey straw lol.


I certainly do Mark but I couldn't be bothered trying to prove my brood-bitches worth again. One who's had 4 litters & produced what every breeder strives to do, Feature winners, City winners plus Group finalist.
My time is too valuable & I don't get payed to jump though hoops, only to get rejected again by the stupid "80% 80% 60%" rule.

As Trevor (I'm hearing ya) has already eluded too, council restrictions can prevent more dogs entering peoples properties once a limit has been reached. So even if I wanted to bred again I couldn't, because I'd have to wait until one of the perfectly good brood-bitch I have at home, that are proven (what more do you have to do) drops off the perch.
I don't know how many times I've heard this exact same scenario, preventing breeders from going forward.
And the PTO are wondering (yeah like hell) why breeding numbers are free failing.
This is just another reason.

david charles griffiths wrote:

Silk Mac has thrown 4 individual City winners now Stevo........
She is a little delight Ol'SILK MAC..............
BDB in the heats of the Bold Trease on Friday..

Well done Davo. She's a gem.
I sold David SILK MAC who came from my brood-bitches 6TH LITTER. Yes 6th litter.
SM has now produced BIG DADDY BEE, this years Group One NSW Derby winner.
If the do-gooders had their way 6 years ago, David would be still twiddling his thumbs instead of counting money (lol), and we would be none-the-wiser.....just like today's world where once you've had 3 litters with a bitch, your told to shut up shop by people that think they no best.
What a joke.


Tony Digiorgio
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16 Nov 2017 06:46


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Bradley miller wrote:

Everyone is aware there is a shortage of dogs for races at the moment but the only way to fix it is breeding!! posting field number and stating the obvious does nothing!!
If people are not breeding what are they doing with their brood bitches? All we here is people arenít breeding, I understand some people are apprehensive in the current environment and thatís fair enough but there are also plenty of people out there willing to breed just looking for a nice Brood bitch to do so! So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!

Well said Bradley.
Jeff Horn got knocked out early and got up off the canvas, dusted himself off and went on to win a world title.
No guts no glory.
I'm sure those painting a gloomy picture on this topic have "Blown" money in the past, be it in this game or somewhere else.

Instead of copping the upper cuts how about contributing to the solution.........


Michael Peter Martin
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Well said Steve, exact the same sentiments from over here.

We are helping your end a wee bit though as I see a lot of the many dogs imported here now are nearer the end of their careers so we are reducing your redundant numbers and increasing ours


Michael Barry
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Michael Peter Martin wrote:

Well said Steve, exact the same sentiments from over here.

We are helping your end a wee bit though as I see a lot of the many dogs imported here now are nearer the end of their careers so we are reducing your redundant numbers and increasing ours


mayb we will see NZ put an age limit on excepting dogs , hardly seems fair that it becomes NZ problem with our aged dogs , or they are sent back to owners in Aus when they finish racing , ?


Mark Staines
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If we had a good FOL system in place like N.Z. there would be a lot less Aussie Hounds being sent there in the first place.The Hoop Arm set up we have here is laughable!


James Shaw
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What shortage? 370 noms for Ballarats half stakes meeting on the 27th. Looks like there's plenty of dogs an people are prepared to race for least possible money...


Darren Langley
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Bradley miller wrote:

Everyone is aware there is a shortage of dogs for races at the moment but the only way to fix it is breeding!! posting field number and stating the obvious does nothing!!
If people are not breeding what are they doing with their brood bitches? All we here is people arenít breeding, I understand some people are apprehensive in the current environment and thatís fair enough but there are also plenty of people out there willing to breed just looking for a nice Brood bitch to do so! So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!

Well said mate. IT DOES NOTHING FOR THE INDUSTRY.

For me I take my hat off for the breeders who are prepare to breed in these tough times. These people are helping keeping the door ajar.

Talk is cheap and even cheaper in here.............



Andrew Paraskevas
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22 Nov 2017 09:13


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Mark Staines wrote:

If we had a good FOL system in place like N.Z. there would be a lot less Aussie Hounds being sent there in the first place.The Hoop Arm set up we have here is laughable!

I just read on Fasttrack that Geelong are trialling a new prototype lure system over the next week or so and they've got 3 finish on lure meetings programmed in early December.

Have GRV listened to participants and are revisiting the FOL?




James Saunders
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Tony Digiorgio wrote:

Bradley miller wrote:

Everyone is aware there is a shortage of dogs for races at the moment but the only way to fix it is breeding!! posting field number and stating the obvious does nothing!!
If people are not breeding what are they doing with their brood bitches? All we here is people arenít breeding, I understand some people are apprehensive in the current environment and thatís fair enough but there are also plenty of people out there willing to breed just looking for a nice Brood bitch to do so! So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!

Well said Bradley.
Jeff Horn got knocked out early and got up off the canvas, dusted himself off and went on to win a world title.
No guts no glory.
I'm sure those painting a gloomy picture on this topic have "Blown" money in the past, be it in this game or somewhere else.

Instead of copping the upper cuts how about contributing to the solution.........


knocked out is knocked out Tony u don't come back from that,greyhound racing is fine if people stand up to the intimidators not go and breed on the stock they need to carry on the gravy train.Jeff horn stood p to the bully and I suggest we do the same.


James Saunders
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22 Nov 2017 09:58


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james saunders wrote:

Tony Digiorgio wrote:

Bradley miller wrote:

Everyone is aware there is a shortage of dogs for races at the moment but the only way to fix it is breeding!! posting field number and stating the obvious does nothing!!
If people are not breeding what are they doing with their brood bitches? All we here is people arenít breeding, I understand some people are apprehensive in the current environment and thatís fair enough but there are also plenty of people out there willing to breed just looking for a nice Brood bitch to do so! So my question is what are all the apprehensive ones doing with their nice broods if they are not breeding!!

Well said Bradley.
Jeff Horn got knocked out early and got up off the canvas, dusted himself off and went on to win a world title.
No guts no glory.
I'm sure those painting a gloomy picture on this topic have "Blown" money in the past, be it in this game or somewhere else.

Instead of copping the upper cuts how about contributing to the solution.........


knocked out is knocked out Tony u don't come back from that,greyhound racing is fine if people stand up to the intimidators not go and breed on the stock they need to carry on the gravy train.Jeff horn stood up to the bully and I suggest we do the same.





Mark Staines
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22 Nov 2017 13:08


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Andrew Paraskevas wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

If we had a good FOL system in place like N.Z. there would be a lot less Aussie Hounds being sent there in the first place.The Hoop Arm set up we have here is laughable!

I just read on Fasttrack that Geelong are trialling a new prototype lure system over the next week or so and they've got 3 finish on lure meetings programmed in early December.

Have GRV listened to participants and are revisiting the FOL?

Lets hope they have been looking at the FOL system in N.Z. ?????



Steven Martin
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Saturday night at Cannington WA, which is the premier race meeting of the week could only manage 9 races, with 5 of them were over 380m.
The remaining races were all over the 520m with only 3 carrying city prizemoney.

Looks like WA has reached the same levels as Queensland.



Bruce Teague
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Mark,

Not necessarily. Remember it is a two part deal Ė the lure in running and the lure they can finish on.

The high/wide lure has now been introduced in most places after a few years of on/off trials and whatever. We know exactly what happened at Albion Park and Angle Park because they published data but we know nothing of the experience in Victoria and Bathurst or Dapto (yes, they trialled it a few years ago but it then disappeared off the map until it was recently revived).

ON RUNNING Ė itís in the eye of the beholder. My impression is that it helps at times to keep the dogs apart Ė ie make more use of the track width Ė but that individual dogís inclinations usually dominate where they go, particularly in the run to the first turn. For example, crashers still crash, wide runners still move right, if they like to move off at the turn they still do. Maybe the degree to which they do that is open to question.

THE BONUS Ė all the early but lengthy trials at Albion and Angle showed a reduction in FTC and fighting offences. It would be good to hear what happened elsewhere but authorities want to keep us in the dark and have not published any results. Again, my guess is that it is a positive outcome anyway. Another guess of mine is that the improved results (at least FTC) are a function of the better view of the lure available to all runners.

THE FOL Ė to be determined. A three month trial at Geelong will help a bit but it will not be definitive (too short). However, it is impossible to ignore the clear evidence for locals in NZ and for Oz renegades sent over there. The principle seems sound Ė the practice may need some fiddling. Even so, given that current Oz practice can create a riot in the pen, any change is worth looking at.

NZ EXPERIENCE Ė two points are worth noting. First, they have both wide/high and closely attached lures in use. I donít know if there are statistical differences but I have seen no comments that either is a problem. Second, their tracks appear to offer cleaning running in general, perhaps because they are younger and benefited from more modern engineering, etc. Cambers and turns seem much kinder. Those two points may well influence comparisons between the two countries.

Finally, will SKY show pictures of the actual FOL tonite? They usually ignore that area and also avoid anything nasty - presumably under instructions.


Sandro Bechini
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Apart from those trainers that had an edge before live baiting was the big news and wanted no part of the FOL as it levelled up many greyhounds, the main complaint of the FOL was injuries sustained upon pulling up

Talking to my NZ friends the difference is in the lure system itself and the way it is brought to a stop

The FOL in NZ are run on Bramich Lures, when they switch off the pwer, it rolls to a stop and the dogs slow down with it into the back straight

Our lures have brakes on them and when they pull them up quickly that's when the crashes occur, plus we don't have adequate barriers(in NSW at least) to stop a dog going over the rail and being caught by the cable

I am an advocate of it, I believe it would regenerate and lengthen the career of many greyhounds that would normally be scrapped for non-chasing or fighting, but we need to seriously look at the capabilities of the lure drivers and their ability to bring the lure to a gentle halt over 100-200m rather than stop it dead in the catching pen


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