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Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 01:35
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kevin murnane wrote:
Hi Julie that's bloody disgusting it is typical of the morons leading us but they treat us like criminals anyway maybe that's why a police clearance is needed I wonder if they have police clearances to lead us criminals what we need is everybody to join the AWU we all get on here including myself whinging and whining about our industry but nothing is achieved lets take these bastards head on
Geez Kev, This topic has fired you up.
I can't say I disagree with your comments, but as we don't have criminals in NSW we don't have anything to worry about..........
Yeh, RIGHT !
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 02:19
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When NSW was first colonized by whites, 98% of the population were crims. That figure has dropped marginally.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 02:32
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Most employers these days require a police check to work there. Honestly, if you have nothing to hide it isn't a big deal. $50 and all done online it isn't a complicated process.
If it helps weed out some bad eggs i am all for it.
People need to stop complaining and feeling victimized by small stuff like this that is so common on every day societs. You are better of putting your energy into something more productive.
Jamie Quinlivian Australia (Verified User) Posts 8727 Dogs 10 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 03:09
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The difference is, you cant put a job in your wifes name and then work there. This will do nothing to deter the hard line crims, they just put the dog in the wife name, brothers name, mates name etc. How about we have a 'new regulation with new fee' free zone for the rest of 2017. Just to give us a break. Think I'm suffering from regulation fee fatigue syndrome.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 03:47
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:
The difference is, you cant put a job in your wifes name and then work there. This will do nothing to deter the hard line crims, they just put the dog in the wife name, brothers name, mates name etc. How about we have a 'new regulation with new fee' free zone for the rest of 2017. Just to give us a break. Think I'm suffering from regulation fee fatigue syndrome.
always going to be ways around the system, no perfect solution i dont think
Kevin Murnane Australia (Verified User) Posts 120 Dogs 1 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 04:36
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Hi Tony it has fired me up just another red tape don't get me wrong I am for a clean industry but if these wanna be's want new people in to the circus they should be paying for police clearances they have created these new requirements it would be pretty daunting for a new owner to hear the words listen mate we require a police clearance before we give you your licence what have I done do these people that adopt our retired dogs need police clearances people with criminal history will run for the hills anyway but clean skins new to the industry will be fine with it just make it easy for the transition for fck sake PR COMMON SENSE think about it you clowns but hang on thinking whats that
Julie Grindley Australia (Verified User) Posts 679 Dogs 39 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 05:30
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NO police checks for anyone in Victoria registered before October 2017,unless you loose your licence for some reason,or let it lapse. I'm for EVERYONE if its expected for anyone.As long as all those working for GRV also have to be "Fit and Proper"personel.
Malcolm Smart Australia (Verified User) Posts 12802 Dogs 19 / Races 34 10 Nov 2017 05:42
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Im with you Julie F&^$ police checks, they do them in NSW and we still have "undesirables" in the game, defeats the purpose, and for the "clowns" who think it's "not much money" we're all not rich like you, to throw $50 away like that, its hard enough to get new owners in without slugging them with another bill..
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 07:28
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Whats wrong with an ex-crim training greyhounds? They could be the next top trainer. I see absolutely no reason why someone that has served their time has to be excluded from all employment & industries. This industry has plenty of rules & regulations to keep them on the straight & narrow.
Steve Tyley Australia (Verified User) Posts 30 Dogs 3 / Races 0 10 Nov 2017 07:56
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Michael Barry wrote:
simon milgate wrote:
Seriously mate, this is the perfect time to weed out the struggling industry. Let's have the banditos syndicate,hell's angels syndicate shall we? Washing dirty money and opening up race fixing and doping of dogs c'mon get real all involved should have police checks if your baulking at $50 because you have something to hide go elsewhere.....
Totally agree if you cant afford $44.00 to verify your credentials, and play by the rules , then go somewhere else where you do like the rules ,,
its my understanding that everyone already in the game will be required to have a police check done , as there renewals come due , and i agree with it ,
lets get behind GRV who are doing their best to weed out the scum and in the last few days they have done just that ,
forget about what the horse industry does let them run their own show , comparing is a total waste of time ,
and of course it makes perfect sense to have all members of a syndicate police checked ,
the clean up of the industry is happening . pity its so slow ,
Out of interest what the criteria to be able to be a owner or trainer? What convictions can you have before they say you are not fit and proper?
Ross Farmer Australia (Verified User) Posts 208 Dogs 0 / Races 1 10 Nov 2017 08:24
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julie grindley wrote:
NO police checks for anyone in Victoria registered before October 2017,unless you loose your licence for some reason,or let it lapse. I'm for EVERYONE if its expected for anyone.As long as all those working for GRV also have to be "Fit and Proper"personel.
It seems contradictory that the GAP Programme has an arrangement where greyhounds are socialised at some prisons, but the participating inmates would arguably fail the police check. An unanswered question is how the police checks are used in determining whether someone is a "fit & proper" person. Without these, there is an arbitrary process that is subject to abuse (Will there be good crimes and bad crimes?).
Simple steps for a compliance management 1. Identify the need for a 'fit & proper' person check ie What is the problem we are trying to fix? If a need then 2. What is the standard we are seeking? ie the definition of a fit & proper person? 3. Define a process that addresses the need in a way that the standard is met then 4, Engage with relevant parties as necessary in the preparation of Rules. 5. Proper communication covering all the above, including adequate notice, not just 'New rules for fit & proper persons come into effect on ...' There was not enough detail in what was communicated to determine much of this.
probably for that reason, there was not much initial reaction from existing participants, who are only marginally affected, if at all, it is only when situations like this emerge that wider issues are recognised.
The alternate reaction to it being seen as improved governance is that some industry outsiders see the need for police checks as being a response to a criminality issue within greyhound racing.
For that reason, it has done nothing for industry credibility or confidence but, put into perspective, it really is just a relatively small issue. But still warrants discussion.
And responsible organisations see complaints and alternative views as a basis for achieving better performance, not a basis for targeting complainants.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 10 Nov 2017 11:55
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One word, Victimisation!!!
Michael Barry Australia (Verified User) Posts 7402 Dogs 26 / Races 9 10 Nov 2017 23:06
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steve tyley wrote:
Michael Barry wrote:
simon milgate wrote:
Seriously mate, this is the perfect time to weed out the struggling industry. Let's have the banditos syndicate,hell's angels syndicate shall we? Washing dirty money and opening up race fixing and doping of dogs c'mon get real all involved should have police checks if your baulking at $50 because you have something to hide go elsewhere.....
Totally agree if you cant afford $44.00 to verify your credentials, and play by the rules , then go somewhere else where you do like the rules ,,
its my understanding that everyone already in the game will be required to have a police check done , as there renewals come due , and i agree with it ,
lets get behind GRV who are doing their best to weed out the scum and in the last few days they have done just that ,
forget about what the horse industry does let them run their own show , comparing is a total waste of time ,
and of course it makes perfect sense to have all members of a syndicate police checked ,
the clean up of the industry is happening . pity its so slow ,
Out of interest what the criteria to be able to be a owner or trainer? What convictions can you have before they say you are not fit and proper?
got no idea steve, you would need to address that question to GRV integrity dept, i dont own any dogs or handle/train etc so i have never had to get one done
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