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UK Greyhounds - The Future ?

Mark Beattie
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02 Dec 2017 22:34


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The UK Greyhound Industry is clearly going through a confusing and potentially perilous period, we have uncertainty within our governing body and the media rights battle represents both rewards and uncertainty to all involved.

This causes a serious challenge for the tracks and more importantly our trainers, who rely on stable and rewarding conditions in order to operate. Its impossible to pay staff a reasonable wage to look after these fine animals if prize money and supply money is not in line with the costs incurred.

Unfortunately Owners are also dragged into this situation, most like myself are involved by some weird obsession with the dream to succeed, maybe we can win a race, maybe an A1, or what about an Open, or the Derby ! The reality is we may dream but the reward comes in watching our dogs run on a regular basis earning enough money to offset some of the cost of ownership.

In essence owning Greyhounds is a hobby but until the costs involved are equivalent to the enjoyment received the number of owners will decline, then trainers, then tracks !

At present most owners do not own a top open class greyhound, but we do enjoy and appreciate the best of the best via regular Sky racing coverage of our top competitions, yet through the selfish commercial views of a few high paid executives this may be removed in the future !

Were also likely to be denied the enjoyment of the Track Championship which is the single most important event designed to bring together owners/trainers/tracks on a regular basis, and designed for the everyday owner !

Its time for those involved in the strategic direction of our sport to look at the bigger picture, no more arguing, no more cheap sellouts to the perceived highest bidder, no more selfish decisions.

Sort this out or watch the decline of owners & trainers until theres no one left to supply the dogs required for the industry to succeed !




Barrie Backhurst
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02 Dec 2017 23:11


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Well said Mark

The key question was put by John Coleman on RPGTV last week, What happens when the Bookies find a more cost effective substitute for greyhound racing such as refined virtual racing(I cannot understand the appeal myself)? There seems to be little thought to the future by our governing body.



Brian Loughnane
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02 Dec 2017 23:20


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I can not understand in this day and age why both Igb and gbgb have not joined as one industry our dogs are frequently over and back our pedigrees are all the same and are rule set it just doesn't make sense to have 2 separate bodies...


Mark Beattie
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02 Dec 2017 23:45


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Brian, youre spot on.

Ive owned dogs for over 20 years and this years Derby at Towcester was the most exciting Ive ever seen, because for the first time I saw the best dogs going head to head from both sides of the water. I understand there were challenges in Dublin but there is no doubt it produced a fantastic competition.

The reality is we could have English, Irish & Scottish Derbys all at the highest standard of competition if those in charges could get their act together!

Its not long ago we had a sponsor offering 1m for a dog winning all 3, since then the profits of all major bookmakers have exploded and In theory offering a 1m prize should be an attractive proposition, yet nothing !

This is because those running the industry have neither the passion nor business acumen to deliver.


Dave Gregory
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03 Dec 2017 09:35


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In order to make such international competition viable, and for me, enjoyable, rules and regulations would need to be uniformly established, applied and enforced.

Unfortunately, from what I can see there is no appetite for this on one side of the Irish Sea.

The fundamental requirement for successful competition is a level playing field.


Mark Beattie
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08 Jan 2018 23:09


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The new regime is now a reality, lots of racing and the competing media groups in full flow.

Now to the key questions,

Will Sky coverage continue in 2018 ?
Will The Track Championship be resurrected ?
Will The Greyhound Derby receive the coverage it deserves ?

Over to those running the industry, your response is eagerly awaited !

PS Owners will not continue to provide the base product if the dream is no longer an aspiration !


Carole Shinkwin
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09 Jan 2018 09:18


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Brian Loughnane wrote:- I can not understand in this day and age why both Igb and gbgb have not joined as one industry our dogs are frequently over and back our pedigrees are all the same and are rule set it just doesn't make sense to have 2 separate bodies.

While this is a good idea in reality it will not work. There are 2 entirely different governing bodies. Here in Ireland we are government run, our prize money is a lot higher and comes from the government. I do not think the UK government would act the same, and do we here in Ireland want to run the same as the UK, do not think so.
A question I want to ask. What happens to the fine money in both the UK and Ireland. I remember when racing in the UK and it was run by the NGRA, that all fine money at a certain time of year was distributed to tracks who could then give double prize on race nights.


Dave Gregory
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09 Jan 2018 09:37


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Mark Beattie wrote:

The new regime is now a reality, lots of racing and the competing media groups in full flow.

Now to the key questions,

Will Sky coverage continue in 2018 ?
Will The Track Championship be resurrected ?
Will The Greyhound Derby receive the coverage it deserves ?

Over to those running the industry, your response is eagerly awaited !

PS Owners will not continue to provide the base product if the dream is no longer an aspiration !

IMO, owners are now viewed as an inconvenience by the people truly running the sport - the bookmakers.

Their utopia is track- or trainer-owned dogs running in empty stadia, with low grade racing. inconsistent form and where results are impossible to predict - 3/1 the field.

I can see more tracks adopting the model that Henlow uses - the promoter buying the dogs and giving them to trainers to maintain kennel strength.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee




Neil Fraser
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09 Jan 2018 14:43


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It is not just Henlow that is operating on that basis, a number of others are too as it is the only way they can fill the cards.

Many of the dogs are no more than cannon fodder for the promoters and bookmakers and it surely can't be long before the welfare issues associated with that come home to roost.

Someone somewhere will make money in the short term from the current madness but it surely can't last. A sad state of affairs.


Mark Beattie
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20 Jan 2018 20:31


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Ok, now Im starting to get really concerned !

Graded racing is fine and we understand that bags racing or whatever its called these days is fundamental to the UK, but surely thats not all there is ?

Apart from the efforts of Towcester Im struggling to see what owners are striving for !


Mark Beattie
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20 Jan 2018 21:08


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Graded Racing - Monmore Green

My Last 21 runners = 0 Winners

Nothing running lower than A3 or S3, dogs upgraded without winning !

Why bother ?


Mark Beattie
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19 Feb 2018 21:09


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There have been a number of articles in the Greyhound Press recently questioning the new regime.

Is it possible theyre starting to understand the gravity of the situation?


Ken Murray
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20 Feb 2018 09:16


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THIS IS DIVIDE AND RULE, YOU CANNOT GET HENLOW AND ALL THE OTHER TRACKS ON THE RACING POST ON LINE SO THE BOOKIE'S WON'T HAVE PEOPLE BETTING ON WHAT THEY CANNOT STUDY, THE DOGS ARE LIKE THE DARTS AND HAVE 2 CODES, I LIKED TO BACK HENLOW BUT BECAUSE I'M DISABLED AND CAN'T GET TO THE BOOKIES OR THE TRACK IV'E GOT TO STOP BETTING AT ALL SUCH TRACKS, THE LIKE'S OF MILDENHALL,SHAWFIELD, AND PELAW GRANGE HAVE NO DEAL SO THEY HAVE TO STAND ALONE, WHAT A CARVE UP OF OUR SPORT.



Maureen Day
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20 Feb 2018 18:40


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ken murray wrote:

THIS IS DIVIDE AND RULE, YOU CANNOT GET HENLOW AND ALL THE OTHER TRACKS ON THE RACING POST ON LINE SO THE BOOKIE'S WON'T HAVE PEOPLE BETTING ON WHAT THEY CANNOT STUDY, THE DOGS ARE LIKE THE DARTS AND HAVE 2 CODES, I LIKED TO BACK HENLOW BUT BECAUSE I'M DISABLED AND CAN'T GET TO THE BOOKIES OR THE TRACK IV'E GOT TO STOP BETTING AT ALL SUCH TRACKS, THE LIKE'S OF MILDENHALL,SHAWFIELD, AND PELAW GRANGE HAVE NO DEAL SO THEY HAVE TO STAND ALONE, WHAT A CARVE UP OF OUR SPORT.

I agree with what you are saying but thought I ought to let you know that, sadly, greyhound racing at Mildenhall Stadium ended several weeks ago.

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