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Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 05 Dec 2017 02:12
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i see its now down to $2500 for a city win.
so its less than it was 15 or so years ago yeah?
Bill Deguara Australia (Verified User) Posts 215 Dogs 2 / Races 0 05 Dec 2017 03:50
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IF THIS KEEPS UP WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THEM FOR WINNING A RACE SOON.
WHAT AN ABSOLUTE INSULT TO PARTICIPANTS OF THIS ONCE GREAT SPORT.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 05 Dec 2017 04:42
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simon moore wrote:
i see its now down to $2500 for a city win.
so its less than it was 15 or so years ago yeah?
It's been at that level for ages on a Wednesday.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 05 Dec 2017 06:12
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Tony Digiorgio wrote:
simon moore wrote:
i see its now down to $2500 for a city win.
so its less than it was 15 or so years ago yeah?
It's been at that level for ages on a Wednesday.
i just noticed.
Rod Hampton Australia Posts 1627 Dogs 2993 / Races 11820 05 Dec 2017 07:57
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I think that's a fair level for those trying to graduate to the "big tine"
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 05 Dec 2017 08:54
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Rod Hampton wrote:
I think that's a fair level for those trying to graduate to the "big tine"
This maybe true, but doesn't NSW have just as many greyhounds as Victoria?
If so, Victoria has 2 race meetings a week with "Big Time" prizemoney on offer, so why doesn't NSW?
Because the PTB want to make Victoria Tinseltown & all other States within time to collapse.
Alan Miles Proctor Australia (Verified User) Posts 36 Dogs 1 / Races 0 05 Dec 2017 12:08
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We used to have two city meetings a week with full prize money we have had more cuts than jack the ripper
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 05 Dec 2017 12:19
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Don't worry Mr Scott and his GBOTA will get it sorted !
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 06 Dec 2017 00:52
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steven martin wrote:
Rod Hampton wrote:
I think that's a fair level for those trying to graduate to the "big tine"
This maybe true, but doesn't NSW have just as many greyhounds as Victoria?
If so, Victoria has 2 race meetings a week with "Big Time" prizemoney on offer, so why doesn't NSW?
Because the PTB want to make Victoria Tinseltown & all other States within time to collapse.
Yes....and you have 3 times as many tracks!
It's called economies of scale. You have dozens of tracks soaking up funds and scraping by on one meeting a week (if they are lucky).......and a lot of those meetings don't produce any TAB turnover. Victorian tracks almost all race twice a week and are all TAB meetings.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 06 Dec 2017 01:15
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thats fine mark but considering the growth in turnover in he last 15 or more years, docking city prizemoney to pre 2000 figures is just wrong imo.
it just cheapens a city win.
otherwise you will have buyers etc. asking in future, yeah the dam won in the city, but was it a wednesday meet or a saturday one?
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 06 Dec 2017 01:46
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simon moore wrote:
thats fine mark but considering the growth in turnover in he last 15 or more years, docking city prizemoney to pre 2000 figures is just wrong imo.
it just cheapens a city win.
otherwise you will have buyers etc. asking in future, yeah the dam won in the city, but was it a wednesday meet or a saturday one?
We don't have any problems with dogs racing at the Meadows and Sandown on a Sunday. We just don't call it a "City" win.
Turnover growth has almost entirely been due to extra races....not more betting per meeting. It's a neat little accounting trick from the boffins. Smoke and mirrors to give the illusion of good management. The turnover per race figures for the last 10 years or so have been stagnant or even dropped.
If the NSW industry is not prepared to rationalise and get rid of at least 10 tracks....then frankly, you reap what you sow.
Tony Digiorgio Australia (Verified User) Posts 1008 Dogs 25 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 02:05
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Sad to say Mark, but what you have just said is right on the money. A decision needs to be made sooner rather than later regarding some of the NSW country tracks that are struggling to stay afloat.
It has happened in other states.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 06 Dec 2017 02:14
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Tony Digiorgio wrote:
Sad to say Mark, but what you have just said is right on the money. A decision needs to be made sooner rather than later regarding some of the NSW country tracks that are struggling to stay afloat.
It has happened in other states.
I know it seems harsh.......and some people will abuse me for it.......but the industry in NSW can not sustain so many tracks.
It's basic business management.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 06 Dec 2017 03:11
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
simon moore wrote:
thats fine mark but considering the growth in turnover in he last 15 or more years, docking city prizemoney to pre 2000 figures is just wrong imo.
it just cheapens a city win.
otherwise you will have buyers etc. asking in future, yeah the dam won in the city, but was it a wednesday meet or a saturday one?
We don't have any problems with dogs racing at the Meadows and Sandown on a Sunday. We just don't call it a "City" win.
Turnover growth has almost entirely been due to extra races....not more betting per meeting. It's a neat little accounting trick from the boffins. Smoke and mirrors to give the illusion of good management. The turnover per race figures for the last 10 years or so have been stagnant or even dropped.
If the NSW industry is not prepared to rationalise and get rid of at least 10 tracks....then frankly, you reap what you sow.
yes but mark the wednesday wenty meeting IS SUPPOSE to be a proper city meeting. thats nothing like what you have just used as an example with the sandown and meadows sunday meetings.
its a big difference.
Steven Martin Australia (Verified User) Posts 7681 Dogs 180 / Races 66 06 Dec 2017 03:58
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There wouldn't be a GREYHOUND person in NSW that wants to see a racetrack close down, let alone (say) 15......but the clubs won't have a choice soon as the choker-chain through lack of nominations, gets tighter.
The question is "Which ones" will fall off the edge of the cliff?
Obviously the country clubs that race for a winning cheque of $200 to $350, & have been the backbone of the industry for 50+ years will go first, as the TAB Clubs that offer higher prizemoney attract the ever diminishing racing pool first.
That's when stage 2 will kick in & a couple of TAB clubs will slide off into the deep blue yonder too, when areas that are affected raise their ugly head.
Interesting times ahead in 2018.
But I have one more interesting observation may I say. This time regarding the racing industry as a whole.
If, or should I say when, these country clubs get to the end of the rope & have no choice but to surrender their racing dates, will these club(s) still continue to stay afloat & conduct a one off official race meeting (their country cup Meet) such as the famous Coonamble Cup weekend?
I only ask the question as one-off-horse-race-meetings happen ever year, in country towns all over Australia, so will the same opportunity shine for the greyhounds?
Glenn Hatton Australia (Verified User) Posts 4852 Dogs 92 / Races 98 06 Dec 2017 04:36
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The greyhound industry has managed to stay alive , even grow mkt share in NSW despite not being given mkt share of tab turnover. For this very reason it would be wrong to shut down any tracks...my only advice is for all participants to bet with corporates and not the tab as we get our fair share through corporates
Terry Jordan Australia (Verified User) Posts 6018 Dogs 0 / Races 0 06 Dec 2017 09:46
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
Tony Digiorgio wrote:
Sad to say Mark, but what you have just said is right on the money. A decision needs to be made sooner rather than later regarding some of the NSW country tracks that are struggling to stay afloat.
It has happened in other states.
I know it seems harsh.......and some people will abuse me for it.......but the industry in NSW can not sustain so many tracks.
It's basic business management.
Don't worry Mark, they are starving those Country tracks to death in NSW ($270-$80-$40) and less meetings. But are viable enough to appoint 3 new Commissioners, and 2 new CEO's, and more to come! (Basic Management?). We used to receive $1080 5th Grade 420m win TAB/B. Now $900. Used to receive $40/per dog Travel /Subsidy, now $40 and $20 each subsequent dog, Have lost 12 TAB/B meetings each at Lismore/Casino, replaced with TAB/C, 1/2 Prizemonies! Have introduced 6 dog field racing, for PEANUTS (Country Prizemoney $270-$80-$40.) Yep VERY BASIC MANAGEMENT. Saving a motza. (Can now afford MORE MANAGEMENT PERSONEL) How long since Vic dropped back prizemonies????
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 07 Dec 2017 10:44
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Good & true post Terry. If you send it to our new CEO it might colour his future plans instead of him listening to the people who have made the ridicules, uninformed, knee jerk decisions incl. overemployment (have you ever heard of an Assistant CEO-really)over the last 2 years which threaten to make the fastest turnover growing racing code an unviable miserable joke for its hard working knowledgable participants.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 08 Dec 2017 01:12
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Mark Schlegel wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Rod Hampton wrote:
I think that's a fair level for those trying to graduate to the "big tine"
This maybe true, but doesn't NSW have just as many greyhounds as Victoria?
If so, Victoria has 2 race meetings a week with "Big Time" prizemoney on offer, so why doesn't NSW?
Because the PTB want to make Victoria Tinseltown & all other States within time to collapse.
Yes....and you have 3 times as many tracks!
It's called economies of scale. You have dozens of tracks soaking up funds and scraping by on one meeting a week (if they are lucky).......and a lot of those meetings don't produce any TAB turnover. Victorian tracks almost all race twice a week and are all TAB meetings.
We are almost three times bigger in land area n one and a half times in population. It's not always good to compare apples to oranges.
Mark Schlegel Australia (Verified User) Posts 3168 Dogs 9 / Races 5 08 Dec 2017 02:53
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Mark Donohue wrote:
Mark Schlegel wrote:
steven martin wrote:
Rod Hampton wrote:
I think that's a fair level for those trying to graduate to the "big tine"
This maybe true, but doesn't NSW have just as many greyhounds as Victoria?
If so, Victoria has 2 race meetings a week with "Big Time" prizemoney on offer, so why doesn't NSW?
Because the PTB want to make Victoria Tinseltown & all other States within time to collapse.
Yes....and you have 3 times as many tracks!
It's called economies of scale. You have dozens of tracks soaking up funds and scraping by on one meeting a week (if they are lucky).......and a lot of those meetings don't produce any TAB turnover. Victorian tracks almost all race twice a week and are all TAB meetings.
We are almost three times bigger in land area n one and a half times in population. It's not always good to compare apples to oranges.
Actually, only 1.3 times the population.........and 90% of your tracks service about 1/3 of the State! Furthermore, I dare say the income (turnover) of NSW racing would probably be on par with Vic.
On that basis NSW should have less than 20 tracks!
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