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Rob Ingram
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16 Feb 2018 07:12


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With The Gardens and Gosford being off more than they are on is change required. Maybe the solution could be as follows
Close Maitland,the gardens and gosford.
Draw a circle on a map that is bounded by these tracks in the middle location buy industry owned land and build a setup with two track being an inner and outer track. Race 5 days a week and utilize one facility.
Carrying on like they are currently there is no future.
Why stop there and not look at this in other area's as well.

This is just my thoughts but as a person who has only been in the industry 5 minutes I have no emotional attachment to any track.




Anthony McVicker
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16 Feb 2018 07:19


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I suggested this years ago, build a multi functional track like Geelong and race 3-4 times a week in at the same track


Mark Staines
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16 Feb 2018 07:28


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Just hope the GBOTA are not involved in any way shape or form.



Anthony McVicker
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16 Feb 2018 08:05


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Morriset would be perfect


Rob Ingram
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16 Feb 2018 08:12


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Cut your management and office staff in half at least. Put in slipping track and bullrings etc. Cut you machinery to a third.



Tor Janes
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16 Feb 2018 08:23


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The under use of the tracks really is an avenue for growth, to race more times a week at any tracks will bring more income. Let alone takings from the food etc over more days. Why pay rent for a track you only use once a week?


Paul Haig
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16 Feb 2018 09:49


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why don`t we just do away with the hobby trainer and his or her dreams of getting a dog good enough to get to the city and go down the same road as the usa and have several contracted trainers to supply x number of dogs for each meeting so much for the aussie battler so lets have one track and race 5 days a week.we are getting more americian-ised every day why not with greyhound racing. I believe if u want to cut costs then do away with some of the no-hoppers in each states racing authorities who are all probably all on treir 100k a year and put people in who are aligned with the industry not gov appointed idiots who know nothing about racing and everything about saving the sealions and tree frogs Just my opion Cheers


Ashley Paul Craven
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16 Feb 2018 10:16


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In my opinion the Geelong track/tracks hasn't been a success. How many times do they race on the inside track? It's a complete waste of money!

My track (Wangaratta) was closed a while ago now. Took me 5 mins to get there. I worked there as an all rounder. My closest track now is 1 hour 20 mins. Next closest is 2 1/2 hours away.

I tell you what happens when you close your closest race track.

The canteen lady will not be seen again and will lock herself in her house.

The teenagers who dare to dream and own that next superstar will either turn to drugs or try and commit suicide.

The pensioners who have a dog or two as a hobby will instead go to their local and play the pokies.

Many jobs will be lost and the powers to be will not give a shit. Majority of people who work at dog tracks work there because they love it.

Majority of trainers will just give up as the increased hours on the road will take their toll. $90 to fill your car up plus trial expenses adds up to a days wage.

Random trainers just walking into the office just for a chat are no longer.

Your local greyhound track, just isn't a dog track. It's so much more and unless it is taken away from you you have no idea the pain others go through.

I could go on and on.

Closing 3 tracks and having one isn't the solution.

Just my opinion.


Ronald George Hunter
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16 Feb 2018 10:20


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Great idea Rob, only trouble is, we are stuck with the useless
drongos running the sport at the moment, so blown up with their
own importance, and not prepared to listen to experience, and
hiding behind their ignorant silence game.



Anthony McVicker
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16 Feb 2018 10:26


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I don't agree, but each to thier own

and NSW is different, much further apart and more people involved

Poor/old under used infrastructure, the costs involved and lack of dogs/depth/ability will see us off


Terry Jordan
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16 Feb 2018 12:36


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Anthony McVicker wrote:

I don't agree, but each to thier own

and NSW is different, much further apart and more people involved

Poor/old under used infrastructure, the costs involved and lack of dogs/depth/ability will see us off


Anthony: I have an easy solution to fix Gosford, The Gardens, Wenty
STOP ALL WAGES TO EXECUTIVES & SALARIED STAFF AT GRNSW until the track issues are resolved. LET THEM FEEL SOME PAIN AS WE HAVE!


Paul Haig
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16 Feb 2018 17:55


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A good solution is to come up to Qld we have the 2 worst tracks in Australia both with corner starts heaps of interference that race 7 meetings a week,suddenly all the tracks in the hunter val don't seem so bad.Its a bit like winning the lottery when u win a race on these corner starts let alone if your dog makes it around in one piece


Bruce Teague
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16 Feb 2018 19:30


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Ashley,

Very good points although it is only part of the picture.

Even so, Wang did not have a well designed turn - dogs tended to run off. That and other evidence suggests that Australian track design and construction is amateurish. Some work, most don't, but all are protected by the personalities at each club, sometimes with help from the state authority.

Wang's closure, for example, was a matter of finance and politics, not racing.


Rob Ingram
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16 Feb 2018 20:18


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To the people that think they are hardly done by having to drive an hour or so to trial or race.
I purchased a new car last year and in 12 months put 80,000km on it. So no one know's the cost of travel anymore than people in NSW. I don't complain I just do it. What I do complain about is racing or trialling dogs on goat tracks. I spend the money to travel for trials,racing and getting dogs checked to have them injured on a track cause they couldn't give a sh@t about the track on trial days.
Two months ago I had 10 race dogs I now have 0. Until there is change for the better of the INDUSTRY (not me personally) I will keep selling my pre trainers and exist the industry.

I say this to the people leading this industry in NSW the time for talk has now passed we need clear leadership and ACTION


Valerie Glover
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17 Feb 2018 06:11


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Bruce I once praised you for your knowledge ,in the old days that is on tracks ,but need to help a little here, Wang before the new track was built, was a grass ,small two turn type track racing Sat, nights /privately owned, the old couple did everything canteen ,staffing and maybe grading etc, I was in the Army, and could attend Albury sat arvo and down to Wang sat night, when they raced, which was as every club knew was a lot more often than tracks these days, And that is for one reason why people don't too interested in greyhounds ? How does Joe Blow {public } know too well in advanced when the local track is racing ? I attended the opening of the loam track there and in those days it was con sided a better track to most of what we had in NSW, I think it was Sylvan Chief that won their first run cup on that new track, that we were at, It was closed because the club being an interdependent club , could'nt get the local council who owned the place to come to the party with the upgrades needed , and GRV won out ; because of Welfare and Integrity ideas,. I put my hand up to our admin at the time of about closing the Albury club , it was sand/loam and a big track like Cessnock but had a debt with ATO of around $8,000, but like now our admin, turned a blind eye , without even looking their benefits of the club in a city of over 100,000 pop. in that time , what it would bring to our state and assets now that Wang has gone as well,.Many good towns and people between Wagga/Temora and Sheparton, and many of good dog rearing training properties as well , jobs Albury/Wodonga as well , bet you there would ground swell down there if those tracks were there? Any way I need to ask you the Question ? what do I do throw the broken down car away/ or buy a new one ? you have to give me a clue ?? Bob Glover


Bruce Teague
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18 Feb 2018 03:21


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Bob,

I recall once that a skinflint club president made the manager cut out a small weekly ad in the local paper to save money. That pretty well illustrates how greyhound racing is run in this country. In part, it is a hangover from the days when so long as you ran the flag up the pole people would come to salute it.

I have visited Albury and Wang, and heard stories about Albury from a trainer who raced there decades ago, but I would not like to comment on the fine detail. My recollection is that Albury had a very unusual shape anyway. But it went broke.

In different eras I have complained strongly to authorities about the elimination of Singleton and (proposed) Nowra for one major reason in both cases - they had strategic geographical and demographic value as part of the state package. Singleton was blindsided by the politics of NCA/GBOTA/GRA but Nowra managed to get a reprieve and is ploughing on happily, with support from the local council.

However, in those cases and at Wang/Albury they could not justify more than one weekly meeting. My view is that no greyhound track can be sustained by one meeting and nothing else. As a minimum, either two meetings or one meeting plus some other commercial activity is mandatory to achieve a viable operation.

Some tracks meet that requirement, some don't. In the main, NSW does not but Victoria more often does - although the constant shifts of racing days must drive some people mad. Even so, Horsham will never get two dates because it is out in the boondocks (by Vic standards). But it (like Warrnambool) does get business from across the border(s) and it is the centre of a large region with no other competition.

Taking all that into consideration, plus population, Albury/Wang warrants support from the industry, probably far more than some clubs which are still running - Tab or non-Tab. Even then, is the local population supportive of greyhounds and greyhound racing? Obviously not as the Wang council demonstrated.

You have to work with the cards you have on this hand, not what you had last week.

Consequently, an additional club will never be added to the existing ranks, rather the reverse is more likely. Decisions on Albury or Wang are perhaps reversible in theory but not without strong public and council support. But how could they get Tab/SKY coverage?


Sandro Bechini
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Bruce

Because you don't train greyhounds or probably breed or own anyway, there is no way you can appreciate the effect it has on a greyhound community when a track closes down

A greyhound track is not purely for punting on.

It is used by participants to educate greyhounds and to keep them fit

Closing a greyhound track in an area where there are a reasonable number of participants displaces those people from the general greyhound population and if the distances for them to travel to at least trial/educate their greyhounds is too great then those participants drop out

That is the greatest danger of closing tracks.

Whilst GRNSW may close tracks for racing in future and streamline the product for the partners by having more meetings at less tracks, I am hopeful, that they may support the tracks that are not used for racing and subsidise them as training and education centres for participants to use



Bruce Teague
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18 Feb 2018 05:07


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Sandro,

I would be a good idea not to join the idiots who know what I think and feel. Presumptuous, mate.

That aside, I agree with your other points and would add some more. For example, the more communities involved in greyhound racing, the greater the appreciation of the animal and even what trainers do. Similarly, if they know more, they will look more generously at media publicity, they may become owners or they may have the occasional bet. They will often be in the local club and see what greyhound racing involves.

In practice, this is what justifies support of non-Tab clubs.

The other angle is that resources are limited and have to be spread wisely. For that we rely on skilled management. Or we should. The problem is that we dont have any and never will have so long as governments continue to appoint committees to run the industry.

And, as I have indicated elsewhere, some of the concepts being considered at Cessnock might well be worthwhile - but not as a TAB track. Doing that would immediately weaken other tracks in the region.


Valerie Glover
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18 Feb 2018 05:33


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Bruce , just like to add , Albury was closed some time before the problem at Wang, so there was only one operating down that way for that period of time , but as I know we are all looking at some of the common denominators , who own ? or worst still when council or trust's admin, the control of the arena/area /anti's were always. there trying to shut down tracks , " you both Sandro and yourself Bruce would have a copy of " Men and their Dogs " how many tracks got chopped for all sorts of reasons in that period of time ? Some were in towns that we would all have been pleased to have clubs actively working now ,. As we have known to survive we need more activity using the structure i.e second income ? but people are hard to convince of change , we all know this, If you race twice a week as some do now, good, good for staff hours etc and support the trialing hours needed for the trainers , educators and so every thing seems rosy, except closing some areas makes all this start to fall apart because of TIME , travelling extra for trainers staff and so on, not to forget the trainers { and there are most of the industry, that work ?? So you must listen that every area that races creates interest in the sport: in many ways ! You know we badly lack " promotion " one of the key aspects of the code set for GRNSW but little is noted at all. So we rely heavily on word of mouth, between the public of our areas that we actually race , so another point to keep the no's there through out the country areas , especially where we have breeders to produce the goods to keep the wheels rolling,.Bruce you are right, we need to move forward, as you have said here many times . but one question ? How , when dogs feed and kibble has increased at a rate 100 times % and what has the return been to all ? over the same period ? this is what is holding and destroying the industry, the majority of dogs are not owned by owners who are in a better position to have surplus funds to support their interest's , so returns are our only means of support, doesn' t matter where they are from, cost's need to be covered, before they can think of travelling working transport at all. Bruce you would have copies of the tab track $$ from 70/80's The NRl have learnt, have left the country areas high and dry , and what have the other codes done to them, so successfully. .,luckily had other state clubs begging for competition, and gratefully Brisbane Storm /Cowboys have added the injection that was needed. so again if we close doors which open what we do need , we are surely gone without trying, Bob Glover


Terry Jordan
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18 Feb 2018 05:48


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Bruce Teague wrote:

Bob,

I recall once that a skinflint club president made the manager cut out a small weekly ad in the local paper to save money. That pretty well illustrates how greyhound racing is run in this country. In part, it is a hangover from the days when so long as you ran the flag up the pole people would come to salute it.

I have visited Albury and Wang, and heard stories about Albury from a trainer who raced there decades ago, but I would not like to comment on the fine detail. My recollection is that Albury had a very unusual shape anyway. But it went broke.

In different eras I have complained strongly to authorities about the elimination of Singleton and (proposed) Nowra for one major reason in both cases - they had strategic geographical and demographic value as part of the state package. Singleton was blindsided by the politics of NCA/GBOTA/GRA but Nowra managed to get a reprieve and is ploughing on happily, with support from the local council.

However, in those cases and at Wang/Albury they could not justify more than one weekly meeting. My view is that no greyhound track can be sustained by one meeting and nothing else. As a minimum, either two meetings or one meeting plus some other commercial activity is mandatory to achieve a viable operation.

Some tracks meet that requirement, some don't. In the main, NSW does not but Victoria more often does - although the constant shifts of racing days must drive some people mad. Even so, Horsham will never get two dates because it is out in the boondocks (by Vic standards). But it (like Warrnambool) does get business from across the border(s) and it is the centre of a large region with no other competition.

Taking all that into consideration, plus population, Albury/Wang warrants support from the industry, probably far more than some clubs which are still running - Tab or non-Tab. Even then, is the local population supportive of greyhounds and greyhound racing? Obviously not as the Wang council demonstrated.

You have to work with the cards you have on this hand, not what you had last week.

Consequently, an additional club will never be added to the existing ranks, rather the reverse is more likely. Decisions on Albury or Wang are perhaps reversible in theory but not without strong public and council support. But how could they get Tab/SKY coverage?


Bruce: Moss Vale passed all your above criteria! It took ONE person from the local Agricultural show to close them. No NCA/GBOTA/GRA support at all. (Well patronised, Bookies, Plenty of Nom's for a Non/Tab track) Shame Shame Shame!

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