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Simon Milgate
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16 Feb 2018 11:01


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Thinking about Rob Ingram's "Has The Time Come" thread, if there was to be a new track to be built in Australia why not a 700m straight track?

Not just a 700m straight track but an enclosed indoor one, a track with moveable boxes hosting 5 different distances.

Enclosed in a large shed? Well when you think about it a straight track is narrow and wouldn't be too hard to cover,either end particularly the finishing post would need opening out but still under cover to cater for all on course participants,they would watch most of the race on a big screen.

Just like the other 98% of people watching and punting on the race would, and watch they would with a spider cam trailing closely behind the field and numerous fixed cameras along the way.

The enclosed track could be climate controlled to an extent using those massive ceiling fans just like the ones you see in warehouses eg Bunnings at a cost no doubt.

Cost well here's the clincher the track would be constructed to best harness the use of solar panels 700m of them and Tesla batteries to store energy to provide power to climate control our track and our sound proof race to race kennels (12 separated soundproof kennels).When we aren't racing the track is creating an income paying for itself and putting power back into the loop.

No more corner starts, less injuries, state of the art coverage and a self sustainable track with dual incomes.

Let's get with the times people and move forward just a thought but I think it's the way to go.




Steven Martin
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16 Feb 2018 11:42


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Good idea Simon.

Indoor arena with all the bells & whistle has promise.

700 metres would be too much.

500 metres would be MAXIMUM but hardly ever used.

300m & 400m starts YES..if it was a "Flat track".

Food for thought.




Jamie Quinlivian
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16 Feb 2018 11:54


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I love the idea Simon.
Here's the only issue I have though. I'm 46yo and around 100kgs and I'm one of the youngest and skinniest trainers on the circuit.....
How do the old 'cuddly' trainers get their dogs from the kennel house to the 700m boxes?



Steven Martin
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Jamie Quinlivian wrote:

How do the old 'cuddly' trainers get their dogs from the kennel house to the 700m boxes?

That's easy Jamie.

Build the kennel block next to the 700m boxes (which is situated near the bar) & get the missus to catch & bring em back on the fully unclosed "Airconditioned Sleigh ride Trialer"...on rails.



Peter Gurry
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16 Feb 2018 13:18


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Why not ask the Vic Government can we have Jeff's Shed. It's a 360m x 84m pillar less enclosed space, the largest in the Southern Hemisphere only cost $124 mil to build back in 96 and has a Casino across the road. Sticking point would be Simon to buy it off them it would cost a couple of billion (prime real estate), somehow I don't think the Industry is that cashed up.


Trevor John Rhodes
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16 Feb 2018 19:44


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GA will introduce a fit and proper measurement gauge along with rule number 27,000 VII part C. Participants weight limits:
Section 4. Bringing Trainers body mass index into line with community expectations.
46yo and 100 kg at five foot eight only gets you a 270 mt start.





Jamie Quinlivian
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16 Feb 2018 20:23


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Trevor John Rhodes wrote:

GA will introduce a fit and proper measurement gauge along with rule number 27,000 VII part C. Participants weight limits:
Section 4. Bringing Trainers body mass index into line with community expectations.
46yo and 100 kg at five foot eight only gets you a 270 mt start.

Hahaha,,, very good Trevor.
At 5 foot 10, do I get out to the 300 boxes?

I reckon there would be a lot of 120m races....



Trevor John Rhodes
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16 Feb 2018 23:54


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If you can prove your height is pre-existing and submit to a Human Growth Hormone swab which proves negative then I'm sure they'll write a new rule for you to step up to the 300 boxes.



Sandro Bechini
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17 Feb 2018 00:07


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Definitely a fail... Before he was known as Jimmy the Giant he was known as Jimmy the Dwarf.


Dan McDonald
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The shorter the straight track distance the shorter the shed that's needed. I think you're on to something, so much has changed in the industry we have to think outside of the square to save it.
Since the crowds are made up of owners and trainers nowadays, sky channel has seen to that, why not set up the new venture in the bush, well away from the suburbs where noise isn't an issue. Build rent free homes and kennels for trainers that are willing to relocate and they can take the dogs that aren't up to the usual TAB standard. Punters don't care what they're betting on and it could address the rehoming issue. There are plenty of us struggling to pay rent and cover our overheads but this type of suggestion could solve a few problems.



Jamie Quinlivian
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17 Feb 2018 01:31


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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Definitely a fail... Before he was known as Jimmy the Giant he was known as Jimmy the Dwarf.

Every winner makes you walk a bit taller Sandro.
I'm expecting to be over 6 foot by the end of the year.


Terry Jordan
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17 Feb 2018 01:46


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Dear Simon: Cross of NSW on your list! Have no suitable sand, No suitable Curators, and No suitable Administrators. Sorry.
Jimmy Q you will never make 6ft! Us Tall Poppy chainsaw people will not allow it.



Jamie Quinlivian
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EXTERNAL LINK

This bloke would handle a walk to the 1600m boxes, no probs.

Have a look at some of the stuff on Kurts facebook page.
He's a fantastic ambassador for our sport.



Nathan Bendeich
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17 Feb 2018 02:46


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Im all for safety but a straight run for 700 mtr for me is still questionable
Yes high chance injuries would lessen
But ask yourself what part of the race do you often see most of the marring?
Its in the straight coming home !
All I see is further chance for nonnies 200 mtr out to fight instead of the last 80 mtrs giving them more time to relax and not concentrate and switch off .... could be wrong , but my opinion and it would be an interesting study or test
Whats wrong with Richmond race track nsw
330 boxes have a beautiful straight before turn , plenty of time for positioning
530 boxes also have ample straight run before first turn
All u need is 400 boxes moved to be 70 mtr behind the existing 330
And same for 600 boxes relocated 70 mtr back behind the 530 boxes
Leave the 700 as is !!
There has to be some element of reward to early paced greyhounds as apposed to come home greyhounds !! Its Called racing , not give a ribbon to the kid who comes last !!
Our advantage to horse racing is you are close to the action the whole way round
Not just the last 100 mtr
Pretty sure the greyhounds love diving into sweeping bends too
Take the bends out your going to take more then you think away from the greyhounds and viewers ......
All of the above ref to Richmond track ,corrects the current dangers whilst keeping the skill level and different variations for each greyhounds differing strengths /weaknesses whilst keeping the viewing pleasures
Dont change tradition , just tweek and adjust the start or positioning of the danger boxes ......400s and 600s
Pretty simple really ....instead of starting all over again and spending millions on a track that u get to watch your greyhound run past you for 3 sec Id rather the millions of dollars go to adding on to other areas to existing tracks like on track bullrings
Trackside pools or straight water runs , lengthening existing trial straights from 300 to 400 !
So on and so on !
Anyway Im probably full of shyt and know nothing , thats my piece for another 6 mths


Kevin Murnane
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17 Feb 2018 02:59


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Hi Jamie I will keep pumping kurts tyres up the service kurt provides for the owners and trainers is outstanding and he doesn't have a over inflated salary to promote the industry at least kurt promotes the industry in a positive light he is having a GO and he loves the dogs



Simon Milgate
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17 Feb 2018 03:01


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Your probably right Nathan,"Don't Change Tradition". Big Bash cricket=fail,AFLX= didn't see crowd walking out at half time.

I've been to Healsville a couple of times and loved it, dogs chase up the straight good. There will always be circle tracks for you and the other 15-20 people who are there to watch who are not financially linked to the race day.





Nathan Bendeich
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17 Feb 2018 03:06


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simon milgate wrote:

Your probably right Nathan,"Don't Change Tradition". Big Bash cricket=fail,AFLX= didn't see crowd walking out at half time.

I've been to Healsville a couple of times and loved it, dogs chase up the straight good. There will always be circle tracks for you and the other 15-20 people who are there to watch who are not financially linked to the race day.

Your comparing test cricket to a 30 sec greyhound race
F~^k me
Like I said c yas in another 6 mths
The dribble hasnt changed
Ps . Sorry Simon you are correct and its a fantastic idea , you are great




Simon Milgate
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17 Feb 2018 08:03


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Nathan I'm using those two examples as how sports have tweaked there product to keep them appealing and profitable probably against many traditional wishes.

It's a straight track with a roof on it not underwater dog wrestling.

It's only a discussion mate chill out.


Susan White
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17 Feb 2018 08:21


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You could import coursing greyhounds from Ireland because in a straight run track dogs would not count with them



Nathan Bendeich
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simon milgate wrote:

Your probably right Nathan,"Don't Change Tradition". Big Bash cricket=fail,AFLX= didn't see crowd walking out at half time.

I've been to Healsville a couple of times and loved it, dogs chase up the straight good. There will always be circle tracks for you and the other 15-20 people who are there to watch who are not financially linked to the race day.

Your right Simon it was a discussion, all I said was IMOP it could be questionable !
And gave reasons why
You then thought sarcasm was needed in pointing out keeping tradition doesnt work but yet suggested I was right ????
That my friend is sarcasm ..... you then pointed out test cricket was tweeked
They had to , no one was watching it
AFLX ???? Wow , how long has that been running .... is this a gimmick or copy from their counterparts NRL sevens
Competitions where you can count on one hand where the real stars of the game even turn up !
Fair dinkum are you on drugs ?
Healesville straight track 350 mtr .... yes great,but bit different to doubling that distance , example in another code is a 1200 sprint up Flemington straight , so could they double that distance and run the Caulfield cup in a straight line ?
Answer ..... no !
And who are the 15-20 Poeple that have no financial link to race day that turn up ?
Its hard enough to get Poeple to the track who have invested their hard earn for years , do Poeple just go to watch do they ?? Am I one of them am I Simon ??
You have no idea
Greyhound on stats for interest in tab betting is the only code out of the 3 that is on the improve ! Even after the ban debacle , last time I checked
We dont need tweeking if thats what u call introducing 1klm straight tracks with sunroofs and solar panals , tweaking haha wow
See that Simon thats sarcasm too
I hear Shane Warnes into wind turbines , maybe you could get him to get involved with Ricky Ponting and bring some wind turbines to power the bunny !

Again (discussing) ..... IMOP and 95% of others involved in greyhounds whether it be owner trainer rearer Breeder ..... ?? We all agree and hate the 400s and 600s
Dont need to reinvent the wheel , just shift 2 sets of boxes and pay much needed attention to the materials used in the actual surface !!
If u disagree with this Simon you (FINANCIALLY LINKED) would be in the minority
Keep your sarcasm when the sun dont shine .... relax mate

Ps just watched Fanta bale rip past front runner champagne sally around the last turn in the zoom top !
It was awesome !!!!!,!, actually yeh your right Simon , take that away and we will all watch greyhounds that resemble somewhat of a mechanical machine plodding up a straight line ..... mmmmm

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