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Mick Thompson
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10 Apr 2018 22:08


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Does anyone that attended the Gardens GWIC roadshow Yesterday have any feed back for the participants that couldn't get there. ??


Bruce Teague
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Carly,

"In the end it may make little difference whether they are legally bound or not but it would be nice to know we at least had a chance to stop things such as the puppy bond simply by educating GWIC as to the reality of the current circumstances".

It will make no difference whether it is in the law, the recommendations or anywhere else. If they want to make a rule, they just do it. They have that power. However, they can also be challenged.

Roadshows have a similar flavour. They are part of any government-appointed instrumentality's brief like OHS etc. Consultations are the name of the game. Whether the authority does anything about the outcome of those consultations is entirely up to it.

A modern company would consult with its workers and its customers because they know that's how they can achieve happy people and better profits. A "government" authority does it because it has to.

Similarly, government have been getting away with it because (a) it put an industry representative on the Reform Panel and (b) participants have said little or nothing since in any formal sense.

Normally, industry groups would take issue with stuff that disadvantaged their members. Yet NSW has only one such group - GBOTA - and it was represented on the Panel. Very circular. Too circular.

But here is just one example on which I can comment. Any restriction on breeding numbers is argumentative and based on spurious and unproven grounds that it will lower euthanasia rates. In effect, that says that other means of reducing euthanasia are inadequate. However, even that is arguable as euthanasia is a legal practice in this state, provided it is done properly.

But there's more. Those restrictions are a restraint of trade, not just in racing terms but because for some people breeding is their sole or major activity - a longstanding and legal activity. To put it another way, it is like telling a gadget manufacturer that his supply of steel will be limited or reduced. You can't do that.

Finally, there is the discrimination. Such restrictions do not apply to horses or other animals which operate in much the same way as the greyhound industry. That is immediate ground for challenge.

The government's whole effort is based on two things; first, Baird/Grant personal dislike of the greyhound industry (so indicated in their language in the media and elsewhere) and, second, an implied claim that industry abuses are so cancerous as to justify extreme action in the interests of the community at large.

Some of all of these points should have been covered as the Alliance and its legal team wound down post-ban. Then and now, they should be challenged. At a minimum, the Administrative Tribunal should be brought into it.

Separately, the GBOTA needs to take a good hard look in the mirror. It cannot speak up for the industry if it is bound by confidentiality clauses in other roles. In any event, it represents only a modest portion of the industry and I doubt it has any good answers - in fact, I am not sure it understands the questions.




Terry Jordan
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10 Apr 2018 23:22


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Rod Strachan wrote:

EXTERNAL LINK
51:30 is the starting point

Disappointed with Bolts! Kept making inference's that the Industry is rife with "Grubs" (His Terminology) still! WE have made Major reforms over the last 3 years. Seems to me that we are going to suffer much more costs and scrutiny on a scale never seen before.
Minimum Standards? v World's Best Practices? Will end when we are all FORCED to walk away.

I ask myself this question: Is Judith Lind, Alan Brown, John Keniry, Clare Petre taking on these contracts as Greyhound Commissioners because they Love Greyhounds? because they have an Affinity & background in the Industry? have a true belief they can make significant changes to improve not only the Welfare of the Animal but also for all PARTICIPANTS. (No participants= No dogs)
What was in their Brief ? Suspicious you bettcha.



Mark Donohue
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11 Apr 2018 01:43


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Bolt is a crazy Coalition supporter so hes running with the commentary. The others have a charter from the Govt, but are well paid, laughing all the way to their next meeting and function.


Bill Deguara
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11 Apr 2018 02:37


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Mark Staines wrote:

Trevor Hagney wrote:

Further to my last post,it must be mentioned that the GWIC is legally bound to implement 121 of Morris Iemma's 122 reform package recommendations.
Item 63.The industry should advocate for a national approach to breeding controls.
Item 64.Additional options for breeding controls should be considered in TWO years,informed by more robust data.
Item 84.A MODEST bond shall be paid per pup by the owner by the time the pup is four months old,followed with an annual payment while the dog is registered with the integrity commission. The commission may fund this bond through implementation of some form of new scheme.

And apparently we are not going to be financially burdened with all these new policies. All this plus more after Mr Mestrov freely stated that 55% of dogs that raced last year earnt less than $1000 in prisemoney

I have said from Day 1 that B.Scotts submission of 2000 pups bred per year for racing in N.S.W. was never taken off the Table, it was to be revisited and in my view this is where the Industry in NSW is heading, yes 2000 pups per year.





Bill Deguara
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11 Apr 2018 02:46


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Mark Staines wrote:

Trevor Hagney wrote:

Further to my last post,it must be mentioned that the GWIC is legally bound to implement 121 of Morris Iemma's 122 reform package recommendations.
Item 63.The industry should advocate for a national approach to breeding controls.
Item 64.Additional options for breeding controls should be considered in TWO years,informed by more robust data.
Item 84.A MODEST bond shall be paid per pup by the owner by the time the pup is four months old,followed with an annual payment while the dog is registered with the integrity commission. The commission may fund this bond through implementation of some form of new scheme.

And apparently we are not going to be financially burdened with all these new policies. All this plus more after Mr Mestrov freely stated that 55% of dogs that raced last year earnt less than $1000 in prisemoney

The breeding numbers of 2000 pups per year was to be revized.

We can all see the numbers dwindling since the announcement of the ban in 2015.

Can any one explain why these numbers [2000] which is obviously not going to be sufficient to satisfy future racing [Tab ]Programming] has not been revized,Is'nt it Mr. mestrov 's job to Challenge these figures and have them changed so that participants can be assured that the industry still has a future,
And while we are talking about a second chance ,,My god can't they see what is going on in other sports,so why aren't any of these being warned that they too are on a second chance.?????????

I have said from Day 1 that B.Scotts submission of 2000 pups bred per year for racing in N.S.W. was never taken off the Table, it was to be revisited and in my view this is where the Industry in NSW is heading, yes 2000 pups per year.






Malcolm Smart
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11 Apr 2018 04:06


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Can someone going to a roadshow, put it to the GWIC , How come a junkie can have a baby, not pay a breeding fee, not have to Guarantee she keeps it for the rest of it's life or guarantee the 5 freedoms, not to mention the other 121 hoops we have to jump thru...



Malcolm Smart
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11 Apr 2018 04:19


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listening to 2gb yesterday a woman rings in and starts whining about how bad the sheep are being treated on a ship bound for overseas, only yesterday morning there was a story of a 18 month old baby getting bashed in bankstown, goes to show where some peoples priorities are, makes me sick...

damage done to baby..

They reveal the boy's skull was broken into three pieces due to blunt force trauma, which also caused a bleed on the brain.
Two spinal discs at the top of the toddler's neck were dislodged and he suffered two "distinctive bite marks" on the right upper should, as well as significant bruising to his face.


Mark Donohue
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11 Apr 2018 04:41


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Youre right Mal,

About 15 Million has been spent on this campaign when it couldve been directed elsewhere. The same with the stadia exercise. Only a few thousand spectators at Alliance watching Sydney FC v Adelaide last weekend. What wastes of monies.



Malcolm Smart
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11 Apr 2018 07:27


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Can someone going to a roadshow, put it to the GWIC , How come a junkie can have a baby, not pay a breeding fee, not have to Guarantee she keeps it for the rest of it's life or guarantee the 5 freedoms, not to mention the other 121 hoops we have to jump thru...

forgot to add, they'll also supply an injecting room for her..!!


Trevor Hagney
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11 Apr 2018 07:41


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Trevor did GWIC say that at the roadshow, that they are legally bound to to implement the reform package recommendations?

I have had a quick look at the Act again and cannot see that mentioned. (May have missed it, it was a quick look so if anyone knows where it is please let me know). Obviously many of the recommendations were incorporated into the Act itself so they are legally enforceable but I am not sure about the others.

Carly,
The roadshow did not state its legal obligations re the reform package, only that a bond would alleviate overbreeding. You may be able to confirm if reform item 30 was incorporated into the Act -"the minister of racing should have the ability to issue directions to the commission on its operations, in the public interest. "
Vague in its wording,but gives latitude to the minister to make directions.
The only avenue we possibly have to lobby the minister on our issues is through MLC Borsack and the SFF,especially if they achieve their goal of holding the balance of power.
Borsack has consistently stated that the industry should not be bankrupted into demise,so any financial issue, such as an unwanted bond might be a cause he would champion for us.
Another reason to support him.Mark Donahue might be able to help with details on how to get relevant information to the SFF Greyhound branch




Mark Donohue
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11 Apr 2018 08:46


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HI Trevor,

I've copied your post and will send it off to Mr Borsak.



Trevor Hagney
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11 Apr 2018 08:59


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Thank you Mark.
Please place a post on participant involvement with the greyhound branch.Not all of us use Facebook.



Malcolm Smart
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11 Apr 2018 09:24


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heard a rumour there were sackings at GRNSW today, anyone hear..???


Rod Hampton
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11 Apr 2018 09:27


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Listening to the bloke about what the GWIC would look after,
I wonder what the actual board members will do to occupy their time?
Maybe take a course in marketing, find out what the actual target markets are?
Then maybe employ a professional firm on a results basis?
God forbid they get professional



Mark Donohue
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Malcolm Smart wrote:

heard a rumour there were sackings at GRNSW today, anyone hear..???

3-5 made redundant.



Malcolm Smart
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11 Apr 2018 10:29


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

heard a rumour there were sackings at GRNSW today, anyone hear..???

Yes Mark...

looks like the employees who have knowledge of greyhound racing have been let go, possibly up to 5....


Carly Absalom
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11 Apr 2018 10:39


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Trevor Hagney wrote:

Trevor did GWIC say that at the roadshow, that they are legally bound to to implement the reform package recommendations?

I have had a quick look at the Act again and cannot see that mentioned. (May have missed it, it was a quick look so if anyone knows where it is please let me know). Obviously many of the recommendations were incorporated into the Act itself so they are legally enforceable but I am not sure about the others.

Carly,
The roadshow did not state its legal obligations re the reform package, only that a bond would alleviate overbreeding. You may be able to confirm if reform item 30 was incorporated into the Act -"the minister of racing should have the ability to issue directions to the commission on its operations, in the public interest. "
Vague in its wording,but gives latitude to the minister to make directions.
The only avenue we possibly have to lobby the minister on our issues is through MLC Borsack and the SFF,especially if they achieve their goal of holding the balance of power.
Borsack has consistently stated that the industry should not be bankrupted into demise,so any financial issue, such as an unwanted bond might be a cause he would champion for us.
Another reason to support him.Mark Donahue might be able to help with details on how to get relevant information to the SFF Greyhound branch

Yes it is in the Act

Greyhound Racing Act 2017 No 13
Part 2 Division 1 Section 8
8 Ministerial directions
(1) The Minister may give the Commission a written direction with respect to the functions of the Commission if the Minister is satisfied that it is necessary to do so in the public interest.
(2) The Commission must ensure that the direction is complied with.
(3) A direction under this section cannot be made in relation to the following matters:
(a) the content of any advice, report or recommendation by the Commission,
(b) any decision relating to the registration of a particular greyhound, person or greyhound trial track,
(c) any decision to institute criminal proceedings for offences under this Act or the regulations or to take disciplinary action under Division 1 of Part 6,
(d) any decision relating to the exercise of powers under Part 7.
(4) The Minister is required to cause a notice to be published in the Gazette setting out the reasons why a direction was given under this section and why it is in the public interest that the direction was given. Any such notice is to be published in the Gazette within 1 month after the direction is given.

The problem we have at the moment is that the Minister can issue directions to the Commission but GRNSW has control over "12 (a) to control, supervise and regulate (subject to this Act) greyhound racing in the State," at the moment so it is unclear whether he can issue directions yet.

If you read through the recommendations on the bond the purpose was to alleviate over breeding and deter euthanasia. At the moment there is no over breeding and the Euthanasia Policy already provides the disincentive to euthanise the greyhound so the bond really has become redundant. The recommendations also said 'should' have a bond for these reasons not 'must'.



Bill Deguara
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11 Apr 2018 13:20


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Malcolm Smart wrote:

Malcolm Smart wrote:

heard a rumour there were sackings at GRNSW today, anyone hear..???

Yes Mark...

looks like the employees who have knowledge of greyhound racing have been let go, possibly up to 5....


Yes and they will be replaced by 10 who know absolutely nothing about Greyhounds.It just keeps getting better.




Steven Martin
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Qualifications needed.

1. Preferably ones that sip lattes,
2. are 2nd generational tree huggers,
3. graze on lettuce leaves,
4. & are head nodders.

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