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Performance Trials not used by TAB in their FORM
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 09 Jul 2019 03:34
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These trials were introduced to provide the punter with disclosed form for 1st starters.
However the TAB have never included them in their form guides.
When they were brought in we lost stewards trials for reserves ( I think all Trainers would agree - a very essential training tool for Trainers )
It is surely time the present GRNSW Management considered Trainers needs & scrapped Performance trials & reintroduced Reserve trials.
By participating in a reserve trial the dog is sticking to the programme mapped out by the Trainer.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 09 Jul 2019 06:18
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Grant you must have pt trials you can not have dogs that have not been in fields go into a race that is trouble plus punters and owners and trainers want to see how they go under race conditions the tab should have the results in the form guide I agree,also there should be a reserve trial after all how many reserves would there be.
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 09 Jul 2019 06:26
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If performance trials must stay there shouldn't be a time standard to pass a pt. There's all these problems about not enough dogs to fill meetings then at every meeting at least 1 or 2 dogs fail a pt because they didn't run a certain time. If the dog chases and does everything right, but can't run any faster why should it be not allowed to race?
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1955 Dogs 56 / Races 2 09 Jul 2019 06:32
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Not to mention at every meeting a dog or 2 get benefit of the doubt for unsatisfactory performance and told to go to the non tab because they didn't run a fast enough time. If you want every dog bred to race don't limit what dogs can race, it isn't that difficult
Bruce Teague Australia (Verified User) Posts 2092 Dogs 0 / Races 0 09 Jul 2019 21:01
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Grant,
Re "These trials were introduced to provide the punter with disclosed form for 1st starters".
Probably, but whatever the purpose (PT or ST) they are a good thing in general. However, only mad gamblers would rely on them for betting purposes.
For example, last night there were two brilliant runs by maidens at Gosford, both having already had 5 or 6 runs previously. The major difference was that they jumped this time - presumably helped by more experience.
I am not sure why anyone would rely on TABCORP for form when proper formguides are readily available and free.
Mark Donohue Australia (Verified User) Posts 3236 Dogs 6 / Races 0 09 Jul 2019 23:11
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Matt James wrote:
Not to mention at every meeting a dog or 2 get benefit of the doubt for unsatisfactory performance and told to go to the non tab because they didn't run a fast enough time. If you want every dog bred to race don't limit what dogs can race, it isn't that difficult
Ah yes, we need non-TAB tracks and meetings. That's what I have been telling everyone. That's where our slower ones go and they should be allowed to race via proper scheduling of races all of the time e.g. Battlers Stakes / Lowest Point Scorers (with reserves) e.g. Pathways. Reserves should be allowed to trial at these meetings (which most do).
How many Pathways Races are there? I haven't done any figures, but are they still scheduling / programming these types of races? Good on them if they are. What about a Pathways Heat at non-TAB and Final at TAB ? I saw a single stand alone race at Maitland tomorrow (Thursday).
I dont believe pt trials solve anything as trainers with punting owners will pt a dog on a track it hasnt seen.Id like them to pay 60 for a pt dog the same as if u are racing at that meeting the costs are the same.The other issue is many quick pt trials dont produce in a field situation so can be misleading.I do agree that cut off times must stop if the dog chases and finishes the trial should be passed to race.
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