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Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 29 Apr 2020 07:34
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depends on interpretation?
that's rubbish.
i asked if distance races in particular were programmed or not. its either yes they have tried but didn't receive enough noms or no they haven't made any attempt to put more staying races on and simply rely on whatever trainers nominate for.
i asked if distance races in particular were programmed or not. its either yes they have tried but didn't receive enough noms or no they haven't made any attempt to put more staying races on and simply rely on whatever trainers nominate for.
surely it wasn't such a complicated question.
If you just wanted a yes or no answer why didn't you just look up the programming on the Dogs website and decide for yourself it was adequate or not and then offer your opinion so we can have a meaningful discussion over it
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 29 Apr 2020 08:04
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seriously, this is just not necessary to carry on like this.
i didn't ask for a simple yes no answer for god sake i asked are the authorities making an attempt to put staying races on or not?
seriously, this is just not necessary to carry on like this.
i didn't ask for a simple yes no answer for god sake i asked are the authorities making an attempt to put staying races on or not?
is it really that difficult a question?
can you answer the question or not?
The answer is I don't know
I don't know how many staying dogs there are in NSW,
I don't know how many have been relocated to other States,
I don't know where all the ones in NSW that do stay are located,
I don't know the number of nominations for staying races per week and
I don't know how many potential longer distance dogs are being restricted to shorter distances and not nominated for long distances for the reasons I have mentioned
Therefore, the short answer is I don't know, but maybe the GRNSW graders will know
Perhaps you ask them and then tell us
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 29 Apr 2020 08:31
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so how about if you don't know then say u don't know instead of going on silly.
i didn't ask those questions so why would i contact the graders to find out? you are free to contact them if they r important to u though, lol.
i asked people on a greyhound forum if they knew whether the authorities were making an attempt to put staying races on. i didn't expect it was so hard to answer, don't worry i won't be asking anymore questions on here, its just too dramatic to go through this, i have enough headaches as it is.
If nomination flow is low then the programming defaults to short distances and it looks like there are no staying races being programmed when in fact there could be races being programmed
Without feature staying distances races with better prizemoney or just city class races being run on the TAB circuit there is little incentive for trainers to put the extra effort in if their dog is not an out and out stayer
Its a frustrating time for all involved I believe
The best dogs to have in NSW now are 259m to 450m performers because I would say close to 80% of the events are at those distances
GRNSW only cater to what the trainers want and is that's the majority then that's what it is
Other States do persevere better with staying races but the prizemoney is higher
Honestly if you have a reasonable 5th grade 700m dog why wouldn't you go to Adelaide and race for $3,500 every week, most of the time, they are 4 or 5 dog races and they are catering for them , so are WA with even better prizemoney
Tom Rees Australia (Verified User) Posts 75 Dogs 1 / Races 0 29 Apr 2020 11:50
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Sandro its not a tough question, currently NSW is the laughing stock of the industry, it was once said if your dog cant make it in NSW send it to qld or sa: now its if your dog cant make it in qld or sa send it to NSW. How the times have changed, daily quality dogs are leaving the state, programming races for dogs to race 2-3 times a week is purely turnover with no industry reward, no consideration for the future of our breed made, nor quality of stock and definately no breeder incentives. Wenty caters for 280m dogs now, dont be surprised the day NSW tracks start racing from the puppy boxes. I dont think you would have to many decent trainers going around talking about how proud they were winning over these distances but thats the way its going.
While NSW is giving more people more money in their pocket, I have no problem with that, but as you say, it has lost sight of the development of and opportunity for quality greyhounds for our sport here
Sandro just letting you know I have yesterday just answered your message to me back earlier in the year ?? Tell Simon to follow the nom's each meet receives daily and this will show him if distance races were possible by noms each day for the tracks racing ?? Bob Glover
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 29 Apr 2020 22:32
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Sandro Bechini wrote:
Simon
There is no need for that
Its a really tough question
If nomination flow is low then the programming defaults to short distances and it looks like there are no staying races being programmed when in fact there could be races being programmed
Without feature staying distances races with better prizemoney or just city class races being run on the TAB circuit there is little incentive for trainers to put the extra effort in if their dog is not an out and out stayer
Its a frustrating time for all involved I believe
The best dogs to have in NSW now are 259m to 450m performers because I would say close to 80% of the events are at those distances
GRNSW only cater to what the trainers want and is that's the majority then that's what it is
Other States do persevere better with staying races but the prizemoney is higher
Honestly if you have a reasonable 5th grade 700m dog why wouldn't you go to Adelaide and race for $3,500 every week, most of the time, they are 4 or 5 dog races and they are catering for them , so are WA with even better prizemoney
its not a tough question at all.
i'm fully aware of nomination flow, i didn't ask that, i asked are there staying races programmed but not enough nominations? are the authorities programming them to try and put distance races on?
its a simple question. if i knew the answer i wouldn't have asked it. you r the only one trying to complicate things nobody else.
Simon Moore Australia (Verified User) Posts 2366 Dogs 32 / Races 393 30 Apr 2020 00:54
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i have every right to reply, you deal with that as you wish.
sorry you bothered to make it more detailed for me? what the? you didn't even answer the bloody question, you answered all other questions i didn't even ask, pmsl.
in future if u have no idea whatsoever maybe don't reply instead of stirring the pot, we have enough contributors on here to do that, lol.
Grant Dunphy Australia (Verified User) Posts 743 Dogs 4 / Races 1 30 Apr 2020 05:59
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Let's face it we have no city prize money for 600 metre racing in NSW (all other states have it) so if you have a good middle distance dog you have to put it over 520m at Wenty or send it interstate.
I have brought this up many times with GRNSW over the last 35 years but when it comes down to it its a lack of understanding of our needs & a reluctance to spend money.
Mark Wilcox Australia (Verified User) Posts 264 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Apr 2020 06:38
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Grant it is the GBOTA that is the problem at W/Park and the 600m starts they run the place. Every time this is brought up they always have an answer and then it is put in the to had basket .They do not like to put there hand in there pocket,and that's to do with anything that needs fixing.
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