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John Paterson
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Bought adaptil pheromones will post results after weekend



Jason Caley
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michael worth wrote:

Thanks guys, great info, Iíve got some reading to do. Really appreciate you sharing this info. I know some dogs settle once in the routine of racing and she may do the same. Iíve seen the Adaptil Jason and must admit I was sceptical so itís good to know it does work for some. Iíll get him to try a combination of the above mentioned ideas and see which works best for her. She actually won her Maiden Heat on the weekend in good time and is in the final this weekend. I think weíll wait to try anything orally until after the weekend. He did give her a couple of ginger tablets last weekend but not sure it had much effect on excitability? but she did win? Thanks heaps guys. Cheers

Hi Michael - some dogs don't respond to anything I am aware of. Sometimes it helps to try combinations. I had two over in SA that were much better in late races when I used both 5HTP and Adaptil on their bedding.

Others no effect and no benefit at all. I have one now Heidi Intention that is such an over the top kennel stresser that she cannot even have bedding as she destroys it waiting for her race. Saliva everywhere and nothing has solved it. Every dog is different and all you can do is try different things and different combinations. In my example with above girl I would never contemplate a compression suit as I know she would end up with acidosis after the run. The mere heat generated by her in a suit in a kennel house would be the end of her.

I never mentioned something that has never worked for me ever although I have tried it - its called Rescue Remedy - homeopathic stuff (flowers and herbs)... although its never worked for me ever to calm a dog it has worked quite well on a few that get motion sickness and travel sickness so it is doing something to help the dogs. Just I havent seen it work on a kennel stresser. Still its something else worthy of a try. Good luck.

I am accutely aware some reading this thread would be wondering why I am trying to be helpful in de-stressing chasers before a race - so just to clarify that... it doesn't do anyone any favours having stressers in the kennel house. Yappers and stressed dogs increase anxiety in placid and calm dogs particularly if they are right next door to the stress head waiting for their race. Calming stressers helps every dog achieve their best - on the track - not the kennels.


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Hey mate, thanks, yep realise it may not work. He got some adaptil spray for the weekend as we feel this will be the safest experiment in regards to the dog. Have tried rescue remedy on a dog a few years back with no success Thanks heaps everyone for your input. Stay safe. Cheers


Steve O'Brien
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Any feedback on how the use of Adaptil went ?


Michael Worth
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She was really good in the kennels last start. He did use adaptive but also used her kennel blanket from home in her race kennel so not sure how much part each one played. He did give her the ginger tablets as their harmless. Ken who recommended ginger swears by them and they are natural. Adaptil is around $70 a bottle. Cheers


Steve O'Brien
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02 Sep 2020 11:53


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Thanks Michael, good to hear some feedback



Howard Moshinsky
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l arginine may e counterproductve it has a history of helping those afflicted with ED
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Howard Moshinsky
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L ARGININE YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID IT SEEMS TO HAVE APHRO DISIAC PROPERTIES USED IN MANY ED ISSUES
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Mitchell Tubinas
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Its pretty simple to work out then Howard isnt it???
The dog is horny when kennelled so it rubs one out then sleeps like a baby and only wakes up when the trainer gets it out and by then is feeling nice and fresh. No more stress once the jobs been done.

I did send Michael a PM which im sure i mentioned. In that i was more specific.
I would have explained it more if you asked.
But i won't bother.
So rather than explain more now, ill let you do your own research rather than read the ads in your playboy magazine.
howard moshinsky wrote:

L ARGININE YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID IT SEEMS TO HAVE APHRO DISIAC PROPERTIES USED IN MANY ED ISSUES
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Jason Caley
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michael worth wrote:

She was really good in the kennels last start. He did use adaptive but also used her kennel blanket from home in her race kennel so not sure how much part each one played. He did give her the ginger tablets as their harmless. Ken who recommended ginger swears by them and they are natural. Adaptil is around $70 a bottle. Cheers

Now if you have a working combination going, take one element away and see if the dog reverts back to bad behaviour. Only then will you know what works for that particular dog.

I do it the other way - try one thing if it doesn't work, add the next element. If there's a change I remove the initial element. I don't like to combine elements unless I find they need both to work in tandem.

As a very general comment on Adaptil, the younger the dog the more likely they'll respond to it. Kinda makes sense when you consider what it is emulating. But I have seen it work even on 4 year old stressers, but with them generally there is something else with it whether it's 5HTP or even simple Vitamin B6. Sum of the parts sometimes needed to calm a dog and sometimes it's just one element. Good outcome anyway by the sounds of it.

If you can get it down to just one thing required that is best for the dog and the trainer. Not to mention you'll probably save some $$$



Howard Moshinsky
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05 Sep 2020 00:53


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as a pharmacist for 50 years just stating what researchers have documented have no need for playboy referrences it is what is cheers mate




Kevin Wright
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howard moshinsky wrote:

as a pharmacist for 50 years just stating what researchers have documented have no need for playboy referrences it is what is cheers mate


Thanks Howard for your Posts i appreciate your solid sound advice .

It is what it is, and it ain't nothin' else... Everything is clearly, openly, plainly delivered



Robert Conway
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years ago for some dogs a tablespoon of port but may get you a holiday on race night


Mitchell Tubinas
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howard moshinsky wrote:

as a pharmacist for 50 years just stating what researchers have documented have no need for playboy referrences it is what is cheers mate


So maybe i was a tad harsh. I thought that afterwards. So sorry if i offended you. Anything i put up on here i first tried myself then tried on a dog when i took another one racing etc. From your 50 years you would also realise that certain drugs or supplements are used for different things. Some people take asprin for a headache. Others are thinning there blood. And its the standard go in the medical industry.
Maybe i didnt deliver my message or reply the right way. And rather than be a dick ill take it on the chin. I went too far and im sorry if i offended you.
I wasn't right in doing that.
Cheers and i hope you accept my apology.

Yes somehow a greyhound racing participant in australia admitted fault.

Take care




Jason Caley
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robert conway wrote:

years ago for some dogs a tablespoon of port but may get you a holiday on race night

port still works for me until they start swabbing trainers. Yeah port very good still for pretrainers and out of comp trials. Would I risk it in comp these days, nup.

Then again just to elude to Howard's comments about pharmaceuticals would I even try Reconcile (Prozac) on a stresser out of comp, sure I would why not.. if the dog has talent and you can get it to stop stressing why not indeed. But port and reconcile in comp - again heck no. These are educational apparatus and that's all.

For any anti-racing advocates reading this posting with glee - think again - at prescribed dosages the use of stimulants and sedatives is entirely appropriate so long as it is outside of competition. Anything suggested here is no different to what a vet will prescribe for a pet with behavioural disorders. Clearly here I am talking of legal substances not permanently banned and prohibited substances. In terms of legal and responsible usage - They'll either take the edge off or enhance focus, to solve a problem. At prescribed doses and sane and safe - if in doubt - ask a vet.



Howard Moshinsky
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not for nothing why would you want to calm a dog down before racing and blunt a natural instinct defeating a possible positive state just asking




Howard Moshinsky
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no offense no big deal be well mate cheers




Kevin Wright
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howard moshinsky wrote:

not for nothing why would you want to calm a dog down before racing and blunt a natural instinct defeating a possible positive state just asking


Howard
Australian dogs are trained away from the track .

Every dog is kenneled in a small race kennel of 8 per bay some spending up to 4 hours this way .
Some dogs run their race before it's even started

Some never settle and this has a huge impact on the performance and how a dog pulls up after a hard stressful day and a hard run.





Howard Moshinsky
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kev thanks for update quite different from usa whole different mindset be well howard



Jason Caley
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Kevin Wright wrote:

howard moshinsky wrote:

not for nothing why would you want to calm a dog down before racing and blunt a natural instinct defeating a possible positive state just asking


Howard
Australian dogs are trained away from the track .

Every dog is kenneled in a small race kennel of 8 per bay some spending up to 4 hours this way .
Some dogs run their race before it's even started

Some never settle and this has a huge impact on the performance and how a dog pulls up after a hard stressful day and a hard run.

I think you've explained the issue heaps well for people in the industry. For those not aware - it comes down to dogs stressing so badly while waiting for their races that they often fail to present their best at a race track on race day.

The whole purpose of this message thread is to discuss ways highly nervous and anxious dogs waiting for their races can perform at their best.

"Stress heads" - those that can't cope with being held captive in waiting pens before their race are a massive problem to all dogs in the kennel house at the track. They drive up anxiety even in the most calmest and normally placid kennel dogs. It's an understated matter.

There are some people delighted to see a stresser in the kennel house as they believe "that competitor" has given up its racing ability before it even goes out to compete.

It's short sighted - any and all stressers in the kennels raise the anxiety levels in neighbouring dogs. It's not good and more work needs to be done by the racing administration to reduce this.


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