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Raymond Peter Fewings Australia (Verified User) Posts 248 Dogs 0 / Races 0 30 Aug 2022 00:50
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In South Australia you can trial on finish on any of four days a week on four different tracks.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 00:52
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I disagree ! Participants won't bring the industry down because 99% of them do the right thing. Organisations or a Government with a heavily biased agenda might !
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 00:59
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Raymond Peter Fewings wrote:
In South Australia you can trial on finish on any of four days a week on four different tracks.
Not the same as FOL Racing Ray ! As you know a lot of Dogs fly in trials but don't produce in races !
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 30 Aug 2022 02:41
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As long as systems are in place and severe penalties imposed. This industry needs to stop pandering to these antis and get on the front foot. Last quarter in NSW alone, there were 1027 dog attacks. Society puts up with the joke that is pet ownership...when the greyhound industry leads the way on animal welfare.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Aug 2022 02:43
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That doesn't make sense, the dogs don't know if it's going to be a follow on or not.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 05:33
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A smart Greyhound knows the difference between a trial and a race !
Does that make sense ?
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 30 Aug 2022 05:50
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There is a major problem in the industry in regard to the amount of dogs that get fail to chase tickets and so forth.
This problem stems from the restrictions put on all participants eg..no sheep skins no meat ( even though greyhounds survive on meat ) allowed on any type of lure.
The ramifications of this has resulted in the overflowing of all greyhound re homing groups all over Australia.
The governing bodies of all states and GA have the money to improve this dramatically imo.
I personally believe that there should be a system and or opportunity in place to help this major issue..that is have a controlled environment of stewards and participants to have feral dead rabbits/ hares and similar pests on the lures at trial tracks and race track trials ..this imo will drastically improve racing which them flows onto longer careers for the greyhounds.
It I know will never happen because of the anti everything world we live in today.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Aug 2022 06:05
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Mark Staines wrote:
A smart Greyhound knows the difference between a trial and a race !
Does that make sense ?
If they are that smart, they should be sitting on a couch not in race kennel.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Aug 2022 06:14
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Chase is such a difficult talent to quantify, where as the clock is definitive. We as breeders are as much to blame as anyone. Constantly focusing on speed speed speed and forgetting about chase. We can't go back to carcasses on the arm, those days are long gone. Society simply won't allow it. Unfortunately even the follow on lure isn't a good look in the public's eye.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 06:41
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FOL Racing needs to happen or the Greyhound industry is DOOMED !
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 06:52
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Chase is such a difficult talent to quantify, where as the clock is definitive. We as breeders are as much to blame as anyone. Constantly focusing on speed speed speed and forgetting about chase. We can't go back to carcasses on the arm, those days are long gone. Society simply won't allow it. Unfortunately even the follow on lure isn't a good look in the public's eye.
You must be related to Brenton Scott ? Thank GOD he pissed off too Queensland because he said the FOL isn't a good look and that's why the NSW GBOTA refuses to implement it at any of there tracks.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Aug 2022 07:09
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I don't have a problem with the FOL at all, Joe public certainly does unfortunately. Maybe we need to change our breeding strategies, rather than blaming everyone else for our woes. Policies like absolutely no breeding with convicted non chasers or fighters or grading that suits slow but honest chasers.
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 30 Aug 2022 07:13
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If you were asked to work for no reward how hard would you work ? It's got SFA to do with breeding !
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 30 Aug 2022 08:53
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The FOL lure must happen and should be promoted no different to what pets do with shaking the crap out of a teddy. What that pet is doing is enacting its prey drive. Theres many YouTube videos of terriers being used for ratting and thats exactly what pet dogs do with teddy bears, enact whats naturally there.
The biggest misnomer is to separate greyhound racing from pet ownership. Its ok for pet dogs to compete for a ball in a park and catch it, let alone them chasing cats and birds everyday of the week in parks. But, not a greyhound catching a stuffed toy on a lure???
The whinging irrational and agenda driven knitting circle antis should be bypassed and completely ignored once and for all. We should be talking directly to commonsensical people I.E the greater public.
Ben George (Verified User) Posts 716 Dogs 2 / Races 2 30 Aug 2022 08:58
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Mark Staines wrote:
If you were asked to work for no reward how hard would you work ? It's got SFA to do with breeding !
Definitely 100% nothing to do with breeding
Anthony Lord Australia (Verified User) Posts 39 Dogs 1 / Races 0 30 Aug 2022 09:53
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good rearing plenty of galloping big paddocks best food handling teaching them to chase when there young pups are like kids they want to learn if you teach them bad habits they dont forget all mine chase with all of the above and dont forget sitting in your lounge wont rear a good dog.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 30 Aug 2022 11:32
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Excellent point. For a lot of owners the first 18 months (the most important part of a dogs life, its formative time where they can be made or broken) is the expensive and annoying part of ownership that they just want to get out of the way. We had owners on here recently complaining about paying $80/week for rearing. I would say what ever you spend on quality rearing, is money well spent. Plenty just throw them in a paddock and feed them once a day with no handling and preparation and expect them to be champions after 4 weeks of breaking in.
My dear mate who passed away a decade ago always said. "Not many bad pups were made great by excellent rearing, but plenty of great pups have been ruined by bad rearing."
Geoff Collins Australia (Verified User) Posts 2010 Dogs 291 / Races 30 30 Aug 2022 11:35
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"good rearing plenty of galloping big paddocks best food handling teaching them to chase when there young .." .. all of that PLUS the FOL .. that would cover it completely
The current chase factor of our dogs is disgraceful. You only have to look at race 3 at Warragul last Sat 20th August ... EXTERNAL LINK .. and Race 1 at Sandown yesterday 28th August for verification .. EXTERNAL LINK ... two races only a week apart.
To me the FOL is a no brainer as what we currently have is not good enough.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 30 Aug 2022 12:45
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Agree with Geoff! Ive got an exceptional rearer who goes the extra yard and not surprising, every pup Ive broken in off his property have all chased! So, what Anthony says is spot on. Unfortunately, not every rearer are in these guys league! For that you have to have a FOL! Owners who invest in this industry and keep it going, deserve every chance to get the maximum out of their dog(s). Especially if theyve been reared mediocrely.
Again, it all falls back on the lack of quality people running this sport!
Mark Staines Australia (Verified User) Posts 4499 Dogs 70 / Races 14 31 Aug 2022 07:09
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Congratulations to the Grafton Club, a Club that is progressive and listens to local participants !
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