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David Deguara United Kingdom (Team Member) Posts 958 Dogs 81 / Races 93 20 Jun 2023 07:36
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Postman Pat trials 22.26 at Albion Park EXTERNAL LINK
Whilst on fast dogs coming out of New Zealand, back in the 70's Brother Bee EXTERNAL LINK was an exceptionally quick dog.
Ricky Hassall Australia (Verified User) Posts 227 Dogs 21 / Races 2 22 Jun 2023 02:52
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Brother Bee was an outstanding dog.
So was Call Me Hobbs
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 714 Dogs 11 / Races 25 22 Jun 2023 10:01
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For the life of me, I just can't see why this dog is considered a Kiwi.
No New Zealand blood anywhere in its heritage.
Born in NZ, and that's about all - the rest (apart from slight northern hemisphere blood) is Australian.
Dad was from Oz, mum was from Oz.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jun 2023 10:09
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If your parents are both immigrants and you are born in Australia, of course you are an Australian. Your post doesn't make sense. Or is this another Russell Crowe, Crowded House, Pavlova thing? New Zealander's, Aussies want to claim as their own because they are successful.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jun 2023 10:10
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Back on topic. That run was absolutely scintillating tonight.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jun 2023 10:29
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3rd dam after not doing much in Oz, is moved to NZ. For an overall record of 47 Starts. 8-2-3 and $6770 in prize money.
Then bred in NZ and produces Birdie Tee a speedy NZ shortcourser. No one was interested in this discarded branch of National Lass whose dam sire is Waverley Supreme (Ire) and bred on the 4 x 5 cross of Which Chariot (Ire / UK).
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jun 2023 10:29
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
Dad was from Oz, mum was from Oz.
Mum was bred in NZ. Are you drunk Fitzy? ;)
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jun 2023 10:31
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Paul Dicks wrote:
Back on topic. That run was absolutely scintillating tonight.
Indeed 5.43, 11.46, 29.39 (r/h 12.50)
Steven John Lloyd United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 51 Dogs 0 / Races 0 22 Jun 2023 10:59
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Cracking run that... Im not surprised though having Black Shiraz Larkhill Jo & Brett Lee 4 x 5 left to right... its a very very good match up ✈️✈️
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 22 Jun 2023 20:46
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Darren Leeson wrote:
3rd dam after not doing much in Oz, is moved to NZ. For an overall record of 47 Starts. 8-2-3 and $6770 in prize money.
Then bred in NZ and produces Birdie Tee a speedy NZ shortcourser. No one was interested in this discarded branch of National Lass whose dam sire is Waverley Supreme (Ire) and bred on the 4 x 5 cross of Which Chariot (Ire / UK).
It is actually one of the fastest families in the South Island that have been producng NZ Group dogs for the last 10 years
Actually Birdie Tee, who was a very fast short course bitch had 62 starts for 18 wins and 20 placings for NZ$35k in prizemoney
EXTERNAL LINK Her sister Rosa Tee had 59 starts for 23 wins and 20 placings and over NZ$54k in prizemoney
The list goes on...Mini's fantasy has been a prolific producer over there
And Michael is correct..except for the dam Birdie Tee all the bitches in the damline are bred from bitches that raced here and the whole pedigree is made up of dogs that raced and stood here in Australia at stud including his sire Hooked On Scotch
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jun 2023 21:44
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
For the life of me, I just can't see why this dog is considered a Kiwi.
But he is still definitely a Kiwi and that makes this comment 100% incorrect. It would be like saying someone isn't an Aussie because their heritage is Italian for instance.
So Fanta Bale for instance is a Yankee, because her Mum comes from the US and his Dad went to stud there? It's completely illogical.
This site says he's a Kiwi, his papers would say he's a Kiwi, his breeder/owner is a Kiwi, he was born in NZ, his Mum raced in NZ, he began racing in NZ. He's a Kiwi, plain and simple, no matter what way you spin it. To be honest I can't for the life of me understand why people are saying differently.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jun 2023 22:09
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Were all picking points of reference Sandro to suit our arguments. Lets go back to Lady and the National Lass dam line is United Kingdom. So Postman Pat is British - EXTERNAL LINK
Im with PD - it was a discarded branch of National Lass sent to NZ and done good with. Hes a NZer for mine and hopefully it sees more NZers breed more Postman Pats that come over and compete.
Michael Fitzgerald Australia (Verified User) Posts 714 Dogs 11 / Races 25 22 Jun 2023 22:20
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Whatever he is, there's no denying he's one fast animal.
Ps. I still maintain he barks, not birks.
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 22 Jun 2023 22:30
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It's all good. Glad to see you have sobered up my "Irish" friend.
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jun 2023 23:01
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It will always have a lot more to do with genetic make up, than land of birth or our country are faster than your country BS - fast dogs are fast dogs no matter country of origin - a well proven Larkhill Jo double found in Postman Pat. And a well proven cross found in star Aussies, born in Ireland - https:/ CLICK HERE
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 22 Jun 2023 23:02
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Were all picking points of reference Sandro to suit our arguments. Lets go back to Lady and the National Lass dam line is United Kingdom. So Postman Pat is British - EXTERNAL LINK
Im with PD - it was a discarded branch of National Lass sent to NZ and done good with. Hes a NZer for mine and hopefully it sees more NZers breed more Postman Pats that come over and compete.
Now you are being ridiculous.
There are 26 dams in the damline born in Australia before we get back to that bitch...
Call it what ever you want, but depending on your religious persuasion we all come from Adam & Eve or some effing ape in a tree
Personally, I think discarded is a very poor phrase to attach to Mini's Fantasy
There have been literally dozens of bitches from that line that weren't so called 'discarded' that didn't go to NZ and were bred here and haven;t bred a dog within coo-ee's ability of Postman Pat
She wouldn't be 'discarded' now, because we have over 60% of races under 440m in this country
Back when Mini's Fantasy was racing there was no money in having a short course dog in this country, as opposed to the current situation on Oz.
So has this country gone up or gone down in terms of its breeding and racing if a dog like Postman Pat can be bred from what you call a discarded short courser?
The bloodlines are the bloodlines whatever country you wish to attach to it
I am no genius, but the NZ Greyhounds website shows you how well that Australian family has produced over there using Australian sires that has led to the production of a superstar like Postman Pat
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1343 Dogs 154 / Races 139 22 Jun 2023 23:19
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Exactly as my last post mentioned. It will always have more to do with the bloodlines. Larkhill Jo back into Droopys Kewell, is a source of elite performance. As is the duplication of larkhill Jo in general. As has his varying lines of his great dam line - see Electrified!
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 22 Jun 2023 23:23
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Exactly as my last post mentioned. It will always have more to do with the bloodlines. Larkhill Jo back into Droopys Kewell, is a source of elite performance. As is the duplication of larkhill Jo in general. As has his varying lines of his great dam line - see Electrified!
Are you hanging your hat on that cross being the reason for his success, because there have been probably 10,000 dogs in England & Ireland bred on that cross that couldn't get within 20 lengths of PP
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