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Mark Staines
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18 Feb 2024 10:28


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If N.Z. style FOL racing isn't introduced ASAP here the industry is DOOMED !!!



Ryan Vanderwert
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If common sense isn't introduced ASAP here the industry is doomed.

Only the 1st and 3rd dog in that race Geoff put up chased. Thats a terrible look for the sport.

The industry desperately needs a greyhound people at the helm, if the government want to retain a business that turns over 11 billion dollars pa.


Mark Staines
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19 Feb 2024 10:40


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Common sense doesn't exist in the Australian Greyhound Industry !

In fact it's been MIA for decades now !

When you have organisations like the N.S.W. GBOTA stating that FOL racing gives the sport a
"BAD LOOK" what hope has the sport got !



Ryan Vanderwert
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Mark, this issue is a lot bigger than the GBOTA or what they think of the FOL for that matter.

The question for the government is can they justify a 11 Billion pa turnover loss to the Australian economy in these times ?

That is this industry's ace in the hole.

What the Greens/Labour Party in Vic for example are offering as an alternative is ZERO turnover by abolishing the industry, and they came very close to getting their way during Covid where the then Andrews Gov't tried to close greyhound racing down. If Greens/Labour could have brought an alternative 11 Billion Dollar turnover business proposition that wld be a different story. They came to the table with no alternative to replace that turnover yet they wanted the greyhound industry shut down.

Suggest the Federal Gov't intervened and made Andrews see some sense as the racing industry was propping up the country during Covid, however Andrews Labour Party at the time had no intention of cutting their ties with the Greens in Vic. That should be remembered by this industry when voting in this State.

The Gov't need to be lobbied with the real issue - an $11 billion turnover business vs ZERO, that has to be made the priority, and this industry needs experienced Greyhound people at the helm to ensure that happens.

After having worked for the Gov't for over 20yrs I know they are all about allocating Millions and Billions of dollars to where they see fit.

It should be all about the 11 Billion dollar business turnover now and if the industry drops off as it surely will the way its headed with the vast restrictions currently on it, there has to be someone pointing this out to the Government at the Federal level as to why they need to intervene to get this industry back on track with a view to bolster their coffers.......that is if the Federal Gov't want to keep an 11 Billion Dollar industry operational. I think they will because of the large dollar factor involved.

It's more than a reasonable argument. Cheers.


Sandro Bechini
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19 Feb 2024 19:07


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Aside from money, the politicians want the power to control the money.

That's why we need to ensure the industry keeps its nose clean ie breeding responsibly and in more sustainable numbers to be rehomed, keeping injury rates down, providing safer tracks and racing environments ,keep pushing the rogues out of the sport and developing a body of younger trainers and participants of both sexes and most importantly put the welfare and care of the dog at the forefront of all discussions

That is how we keep our sport relevant in modern society

Plus what Ryan has said as well



Nathan Bendeich
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19 Feb 2024 21:18


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All true and well said , being on the front foot is a must obviously ! All our needs should be demanded as its our industries right and our industry governors promise to keep it viable !

But if we cant sustain year after year 3-4000 rehomers nothing else matters sorry

If we have back logs of thousands of pups year after year ! Thats our own noose right there , and dont be fooled , they are all waiting , planning and relying on it !

Everything else comes after rehoming ! I dont think everyone understands we cannot have 5000 greyhounds sitting ANYWHERE homeless ???



Ryan Vanderwert
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Nathan, lobby the Federal Gov't and convince them of the benefits of the business with the 11 billion dollar turnover figure and watch all those issues virtually disappear.

There'll be restrictions and conditions but those will be minimal and manageable by the industry.

We've got to this stage with all the antis lobbying the government, we need a group from within the industry to lobby our cause.


Mark Staines
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"Mark, this issue is a lot bigger than the GBOTA or what they think of the FOL for that matter."

Not in NSW Ryan unfortunately !

When have any issues related to the Australian Greyhound Industry been addressed on a National basis ?

As for the GREENS like it or not they are increasing there influence on Government policy both state and federal !

The Greens effectively banned Greyhound racing in the ACT !



Nathan Bendeich
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I think the word we are looking for is Union !

Yet no one wants to pay ! Cant afford it


Mark Staines
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Who funds the national anti Greyhound Industry Body better known as Greyhounds Australasia ?

What a joke that mob are !


Karon Blakemore
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:

Who the phukk is Caesar Costa?

Only the best breaker of his time. If your dog got injured he had the vet check it out then ring you. I found him honest the best with breaking in and helpful selling some of your pups for good prices if they broke in well. I never ever had a bad pup return home after breakin that was a nonny or fighter! Many other good breakers around over the yearas ive heard of but never tried them myself so cannot comment.



Shane Lippel
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As far as I'm concerned,this is 100% the main issue.Nothing else has changed except for this reason! Dogs aren't stupid,break them in on Synthetic Fluff,and you get the Non chasers we have today,give them an incentive of a Dead Carcass,they get the smell and taste of it,the penny drops,and they have incentive to get out there and chase the House down..Until this problem is fixed,you will be having this same conversation for Decades.



Ryan Vanderwert
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Mark Staines wrote:

.............When have any issues related to the Australian Greyhound Industry been addressed on a National basis?..............

That's what I'm saying Mark, it may warrant it with these increased turnover figures.

How many 11 billion dollar turnover businesses are there nationally?
Are they plentiful ?
I actually don't know the answer, but that needs to be looked into and pointed out to the Federal Gov't if there aren't too many businesses with that magnitude of turnover. The Fed Gov't may then just get interested in the Greyhound industry, if they aren't already.

The other point was at the start of Covid the Greyhound Industry in Vic was gone if Andrews and his Labour/Green coalition had their way. He announced only horse racing wld continue during Covid at his daily press conferences which were televised live daily in Vic.
What changed his mind ? Something did.
As an industry we need to find out what, as the same party is in power.

If it's as I suspect, then we need a group to lobby the Federal Gov't. It's probably a difficult task but not rocket science.


Mark Staines
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25 Feb 2024 06:14


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The Greyhound Industry carried the 2 Horse racing codes on it's back when Equine Flu hit Australia !

State and Federal Government should be reminded of that !


Mark William Claxton
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27 Feb 2024 23:30


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The industry is "self destructing". Heading down the 'same' path as the US.


Mark William Claxton
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28 Feb 2024 00:10


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Grv's 'intent' to go away from 2 turn racing just highlights that authorities have no idea.


Roger Spry
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28 Feb 2024 17:11


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100 % right Paul .

Ipswich Thursday Feb 29th , 12 race meeting all over 288 mts.
It can not get any worse than that , or maybe it will.
How long will it be before we have races run over 200 mt or less ?


Sandro Bechini
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28 Feb 2024 20:05


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roger spry wrote:

100 % right Paul .

Ipswich Thursday Feb 29th , 12 race meeting all over 288 mts.
It can not get any worse than that , or maybe it will.
How long will it be before we have races run over 200 mt or less ?


They are everywhere Roger

Its the norm now


Michael Fitzgerald
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28 Feb 2024 22:28


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Shane Lippel wrote:

As far as I'm concerned,this is 100% the main issue.Nothing else has changed except for this reason! Dogs aren't stupid,break them in on Synthetic Fluff,and you get the Non chasers we have today,give them an incentive of a Dead Carcass,they get the smell and taste of it,the penny drops,and they have incentive to get out there and chase the House down..Until this problem is fixed,you will be having this same conversation for Decades.

Shane, it's not as though there's a shortage of rabbits in this country.

National Geographic estimates there are 200 million of them and the NSW Dept of Primary Industry have declared them a "noxious animal" and impose a responsibility on landowners to "control rabbits on their land".

No one wants to see them used as live bait as has been alleged in the past, but surely it's a win-win situation for everybody if we could use dead rabbit carcasses to re-instill the natural instincts that is diminishing in our breed.

I know this might seem like a left-field idea (and to short circuit potential skullduggery and protests from "antis"), but what would be wrong if you/I/anyone could purchase a bar-coded rabbit carcass from the RSPCA (or even GRNSW/GWIC and other state controlling bodies) to use to bring back the chase instinct in our dogs.

The cost would surely be minimal.

Anyone caught with a non-approved carcass (only an idiot would do so) to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.




Mark William Claxton
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29 Feb 2024 01:58


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Good idea Michael, but industry is run by "non greyhound" 'pen pushers'. Little hope.

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