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Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 987 Dogs 16 / Races 44 03 Apr 2015 00:15
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Sandra i believe you are on the right track especially when it comes down to breeding. On this I agree with you 100% the problem arises when you govern this every one has a different idea of what a good dog is. To some a dog who wins a maiden is a champion and well worth breeding from. They can then come up with dozens of examples were dogs like this have produced champions. So I feel the first part of your article plays a more important part. If some one wishes to breed from a bitch they need take esponsibility for the off spring A) if they race them and keep them themselves . The board has a record of ownership and when kennel checks are made the dogs should be presented or B) they are sold and the new owner takes over that responsibility with names and details of the recipiant being sent to the board to check their authenticity. Some will say this is what happens now. Obviously in the recent scandle no kennel checks were made or the dogs would have been found missing
Jack Gatty Australia (Verified User) Posts 2055 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Apr 2015 00:29
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Agree Brian - responsibility is the word. No matter if only the best bitches are bred - there can't be 8 dogs dead heating for first place - there will always be slower dogs and actually personally I think our dogs are getting too fast for the tracks now. If faster and faster dogs are bred we will need to be upgrading tracks to accommodate these dogs. There will always be losers - they can't all be champions.
Mark William Claxton Australia (Verified User) Posts 958 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Apr 2015 00:30
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Just realised Pam Parker has done the industry a "huge" favour,in that I now strongly believe Ipswich will get Logan's 1 turn track. And in this, at least the Ipswich club knows how to "actually" run one. As Merv Page and his crew have been "very successful" for a long time.
Has a licensed breeder, this idea is So simple it must happen.
When a puppy is purchased for the first time, let the racing control board charge $100.00 from the purchaser.
That $100.00 must be placed in a high interest term deposit trust fund. The only use of the money would be to pay for a vet to P.T.S the same greyhound at the end of life.
Has their is a large number of greyhound pups born each year, the amount of money would grow to also cover the situation of pups that were never sold yet retained by the breeder. Interest on the money would also cover such pups.
Then no-one would ever again claim they could not afford a vet.
Again, it is self funding. Anyone paying say $1000 plus for a 3 month old puppy is not going to quibble about a pts payment.
lets say the dog lives until 12 years old. well, vet fees to pts a dog will exceed $100. Yet the funds from the board will more then off set the increased price.
Another part is the vet would be paid & sign the death cert. No more lost paperwork.
Or is the above another crazy idea from this crazy idea factory ???
Brenton Wilson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1567 Dogs 10 / Races 38 03 Apr 2015 01:11
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The biggest problem to any industry is CHANGE.
The greyhound industry in Qld has never gone through the change of environment that is required for any business/industry to survive in the 21st Century.
The fault lays firmly at the feet of both side of politics, but also those in the other two codes who think that is fine to strip the greyhound industry of resources and the ability to adopt change and restrain it from trading at full capacity.
Greyhound participants also have to take responsibility for the state of the industry, as they are more likely to be exclusive in their attitudes and selfish in their needs when it comes to what is best for the industry. We all have a duty of care for the greyhound industry, and currently a few are doing their best to destroy the industry for only one reason, ignorance.
We live in an environment where one picture, one statement can be quickly recorded and sent all round the world, and could also be the front page of a newspaper or news story within minutes.
Times have changed and we as an industry need to change or die. The only way things can change is if those who want to be be part of the future of the industry come together and force the change that is needed. Those who don't want to accept change also need change, or find another profession. Either way, the decision of participants will ultimately decide the direction of this industry.
One last thing, if participants continue to allow what has occurred in the past to continue, and sit by and allow others to make those decisions on the future, then say goodbye.
The greyhound industry needs to take ownership, we need to come together, and it needs to start today.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Apr 2015 01:24
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Qld Greyhound Industry is in a very weak and vulnerable position. No politician is going to support this industry unless the general public have appeal / liking for Greyhound racing, to achieve that now will be hard, we would need something powerful to get a positive impact with the general public. with high priority on welfare of Greyhounds and family recreation / family hobby The four corners report as deeply upset / disturbed the majority of Australians and Greyhound / animal lovers Global. The Qld Greyhound industry to survive must reform fast it must adopt new policies and principles, implement new methods Larissa and Co will not / never accept that the majority of Qld trainers are good honest moral ethical people. Larissa & Co will relentlessly maul at this industry to extend her political stage. IMO regarding Logan track. No chance forget it, we be lucky to preserve what we have now. Wake up all smell the coffee there's major changes ahead.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Apr 2015 01:26
To some a dog who wins a maiden is a champion and well worth breeding from. They can then come up with dozens of examples were dogs like this have produced champions.
This is where new and old alike have to be educated to recognise a potential Brood and NOT be Kennel Blind.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 02:13
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Cynthia Suttle wrote:
To Michael hello. Agree with a lot you say but I will always rehome my greyhounds (and any others lucky enough to lob in my kennels) myself. Hi Kev. I believe Condon realises he is on a slippery slope but unfortunately it seems he would like to take us with him. I also believe people should stop giving away slow dogs just to rid themselves of their problem. Likelihood is the majority of these poor animals were just that - give-aways who become throw-aways.
Hi Cynthia,
For all the people such as yourself who place their own dogs, or keep them as pets, or broods etc wouldn't have to go through GAP, but they would still have to be accounted for and the ones not for breeding should be desexed to protect against theft and unscrupulous breeding practices. In the end, RESPONSIBILITY and ACCOUNTABILITY. Plans must be put in place where the participants are presented with an EASY path to retire their dogs.SIMPLE. It's not hard!!! Elsie came up with an idea...levy paid by owner.Good idea! Redirect that levy to the GAP, no automatic PTS but a realistic chance of being rehomed...every dog gets a chance! Out of that, pay the person who drops the dog off $30...No dog PTS when retired unless emergency or GAP! Work with the owners, make it easy, and don't work against them.
This all might need tweaking but what I'm trying to say is INITIATIVES and SOLID PLANS need to be formulated that achieve RESULTS. All done NOW.
IMO restructuring of the whole modus operandi needs to happen, and that can only be achieved through autonomy.
Greyhounds would be the only breed that came with a whelping box to grave care package.
Thus robbing the anti`s of most of their wind.!!!
None of the other codes could offer that. NOR any other breed of k9.....
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 987 Dogs 16 / Races 44 03 Apr 2015 02:26
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Sandra Giles wrote:
Brian Young wrote:
To some a dog who wins a maiden is a champion and well worth breeding from. They can then come up with dozens of examples were dogs like this have produced champions.
This is where new and old alike have to be educated to recognise a potential Brood and NOT be Kennel Blind.
Believe me Sandra people are not that easily educated. Many people believe that to breed with anything les than a group dog is money down the drain. Others believe that if a bitch has not won $100,000 it is not worth breeding from . Others believe that if one of her sisters is a group dog then she will likly throw champions, The list goes on and on . Sandra how do you personally recognise a potential brood? Not argueing but suggesting the range is to wide to set a criteria to educate from as I see it. I like the idea and if we had some one dictating what we can and cant breed from the breed would definately improve but I doubt it would be accepted. Where as your idea of keeping track of the pups will in the end guarentee responsible breeding as the responsibility falls back on the breeder themselves or the purchaser who could be educated into what to look for when purchasing a pup.
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 03 Apr 2015 02:28
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Good way of slowing down the sales side of things. Why not charge the breeders $100 per pup, actually more when you think how many will not be buying your product if it does not meet their satisfaction with your breeding selection.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 02:34
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Ummm, is GAP a registered charity???
If not, WHY NOT?
They do a great job with limited funds and facilities. Wouldn't becoming a registered charity be a step in the right direction?
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 02:37
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Brenton, "The greyhound industry needs to take ownership, we need to come together, and it needs to start today."
You hit the nail on the head.
NOW.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 02:45
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
Good way of slowing down the sales side of things. Why not charge the breeders $100 per pup, actually more when you think how many will not be buying your product if it does not meet their satisfaction with your breeding selection.
You honestly believe $100 will slow down sales...you have to be kidding. Here is a tip...knock a $100 off the price and you pay the levy. Good way to close a sale and you can be happy you put something towards that dog being cared for. Good idea, baby chops?
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 03 Apr 2015 02:55
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Knock $100 off the price and you pay the levy???? So who pays the levy out of that numbnuts????
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 03:04
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
Knock $100 off the price and you pay the levy???? So who pays the levy out of that numbnuts????
Why the name calling, dear? Be nice.
Not hard to work out...YOU DO! You don't HAVE to, but you then have a CHOICE...capish?
Anyway, all a bit pedantic really. The general idea is there... Get it together and submit a few ideas to your regulators, after all, its not just Qld that's affected, is it?
Hellen Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 3217 Dogs 6 / Races 26 03 Apr 2015 03:24
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Sorry baby chops! Well if I pay and someone else decides they do not want to you will not get full participation will you.So once again the door is left open for those that will not commit to change. CAPISH!!!!!! Back to the first square, no progress!
Robert Morris Australia (Verified User) Posts 695 Dogs 0 / Races 0 03 Apr 2015 03:30
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It really doesn't matter who pays the charge as it always affects the market price. I suggest charging the breeder might help more to ensure only quality broodbitchs are used for breeding.
Michael Geraghty Australia (Verified User) Posts 4138 Dogs 14 / Races 15 03 Apr 2015 03:34
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Hellen Jackson wrote:
Sorry baby chops! Well if I pay and someone else decides they do not want to you will not get full participation will you.So once again the door is left open for those that will not commit to change. CAPISH!!!!!! Back to the first square, no progress!
Hellen,
Get with the programme, for Christ's sake. You're arguing for the sake of arguing. You're talking about a little negotiating!?!?
Concentrate on the big picture and hopefully the industry will survive...its what it is about atm.
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