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Brenton Wilson
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Michael Geraghty wrote:

Brenton Wilson wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

Maybe Luke and the group got sick of reading this thread of whinging, negative, crying, sooky, egotistical, loud mouthed, useless, uninformed, rant and rave, no ACTION COMMENTS and thought..."Since the 4corners programme, not one person, I repeat, NOT ONE PERSON or RQ has stood up and gone on the front foot and DONE something and devised strategy..and NEVER WOULD."

Maybe everyone was waiting for the KEYBOARD WARRIOR MESSIAH to arrive and explode into ACTION.

Now that it has happened(action)there is discontent.
Negativity rules and if positive action creeps in, well...JUST SHOOT HOLES IN IT.

How many of you have DONE something since 4 corners?

If you can't get behind what's happening now you will NEVER see and forever wonder around like fools.

Plenty happening behind the scenes and its all around going in a POSITIVE FORWARD DIRECTION.

Their door is OPEN to positive support and positive recommendations.
It seems there won't be many knocks on their door.

SAD.

Yeah Michael, put a submission into the enquiry, its one of the ones they decided to show to the public on the website. Have been interviewed by Brisbane Times several times, even ABC radio tried to get me to interview, but not talking to their one sided agenda.

Got up and spoke at the last QGBOTA meeting urging everyone to get their acts together and form one voice. At the 2012 election went to both side of politics and tried to get them to take notice of issues involving the industry, they ignored it. etc etc etc....

Well, good on you Brenton.
For once in the history of Qld racing there is a body that WONT IGNORE you if you have something to say that is constructive and POSITIVE.

Treat it like its a breath of fresh air, pick up the phone, call them and make a time for a meeting.
If you are at the races, pop in and introduce yourself, and give them an idea or two.
That easy.
Very approachable, and you might get a surprise considering the negative response you've had in the past.

For once there are serious intentions to go forward...give it a go.
If we don't get it right...WE ARE GONE.

Good luck.

Michael, there's a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things, if you don't get it, That's too bad.

If people can't handle constructive criticism that generally is do with a spot light being placed on the issue.

The only way the sport will move forward is to engage all participants and have them decide the agenda for the sport, not a self chosen few.



Michael Geraghty
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05 Jun 2015 04:29


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I get it alright, Brenton.

If it was not done, there would be nothing.

Form your own affiliation and invite all participants...your call.

Alternatively, you can contact the present one and contribute...your call.

Good luck in whatever you choose.



Glenn Hatton
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Michael Geraghty wrote:

For once there are serious intentions to go forward...give it a go.
If we don't get it right...WE ARE GONE.

Good luck.

I see your sentiments have changed.

I just listened to the interview with Luke Gatehouse & was disappointed he did not say the MAJORITY of greyhound participants are innocent bystanders in the allegations of cruelty to their animals or to allegations of live baiting.

i think the Macsporrin Report would be able to be picked to pieces if the authorities stepped forward with accurate data regarding inspection reports, positive swab % & accurate rehoming or retired reports. Sadly under the Tri code administration the oversight seems to be lacking. In saying this, that should not mean the industry is labelled corrupt or cruel to greyhounds due to the actions of a very small % of the industry.

A step in the right direction is to present factual data on the above points & create the blueprint for the way forward.

I would propose that all state representative bodies engage professionals to both represent the industry on a public relations front & on a strategic front (for best practice on rearing , training, break in etc). I suggest this way forward because it never seems people in the industry can agree on much.

I suggest you don't wait for the control boards to do it. I commend Tony Zammitt & Qld clubs for getting together to have one voice. I hope NSW can do the same.

If one state goes under its only a matter of time before the rest follow so I hope we all get behind you guys in Qld & when it's time you do the same for us.

Throughout over 20 years involvement in the sport I can safely say the hobby trainer/owner looks after their dogs and/or gives them an extended career. I believe it's imperative that more stringent tests & restrictions should apply to getting a public trainers licence & maybe there should be a cap on the number of public trainers and/or the number of dogs each can train. Or possibly a certain number of employees should be necessary per dog trained, reared or broken in. I think this is just one step forward to reduce the 'rogue' element or those coming in trying to make a quick buck or more recently, those just taking over in name the training duties of others that have been suspended as trainers.
All this costs extra $$$ & I hope the entities that benefit most from our racing (ie TAB, corporates & govt) have to chip in to implement these changes



Michael Geraghty
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05 Jun 2015 08:30


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glenn hatton wrote:

Michael Geraghty wrote:

For once there are serious intentions to go forward...give it a go.
If we don't get it right...WE ARE GONE.

Good luck.

I see your sentiments have changed.

I just listened to the interview with Luke Gatehouse & was disappointed he did not say the MAJORITY of greyhound participants are innocent bystanders in the allegations of cruelty to their animals or to allegations of live baiting.

i think the Macsporrin Report would be able to be picked to pieces if the authorities stepped forward with accurate data regarding inspection reports, positive swab % & accurate rehoming or retired reports. Sadly under the Tri code administration the oversight seems to be lacking. In saying this, that should not mean the industry is labelled corrupt or cruel to greyhounds due to the actions of a very small % of the industry.

A step in the right direction is to present factual data on the above points & create the blueprint for the way forward.

I would propose that all state representative bodies engage professionals to both represent the industry on a public relations front & on a strategic front (for best practice on rearing , training, break in etc). I suggest this way forward because it never seems people in the industry can agree on much.

I suggest you don't wait for the control boards to do it. I commend Tony Zammitt & Qld clubs for getting together to have one voice. I hope NSW can do the same.

If one state goes under its only a matter of time before the rest follow so I hope we all get behind you guys in Qld & when it's time you do the same for us.

Throughout over 20 years involvement in the sport I can safely say the hobby trainer/owner looks after their dogs and/or gives them an extended career. I believe it's imperative that more stringent tests & restrictions should apply to getting a public trainers licence & maybe there should be a cap on the number of public trainers and/or the number of dogs each can train. Or possibly a certain number of employees should be necessary per dog trained, reared or broken in. I think this is just one step forward to reduce the 'rogue' element or those coming in trying to make a quick buck or more recently, those just taking over in name the training duties of others that have been suspended as trainers.
All this costs extra $$$ & I hope the entities that benefit most from our racing (ie TAB, corporates & govt) have to chip in to implement these changes

No, my opinions on what is needed in Qld has never changed and will not ever change...some other areas, maybe.
Like my attitude towards you.
Right now I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy towards you because finally we are on the same page of sorts.
There is direction and positivity in what you say.
Well done.

And yes, I 100% agree with you...everyone should be getting behind everyone else to push the industry through the quagmire and onto a better future, no matter what state you live in.
That has never happened before.

Its a good suggestion and should be expanded on.

Fwiw, you have my total support.

Love
Michael.


Michael Geraghty
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Before I forget, apart from the two independents on QGA, hasn't the clubs and association heads already been voted into their respective organizations?
Meaning that indeed they have been voted on.

So is this discontent aimed at two independents only?

Gee, tough audience...

Their door is open to ANYONE who wishes to walk in.

If you don't then I guess you have nothing worthwhile to say.

Tallyho...I'm out of here...leave you all to it.

Good luck.


Kev Galloway
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elsie bayliss wrote:

Kevin Galloway,

Hi Kevin, I read that you think KMPG is crap. Well you views on the past are probably right.

Yet i will say this, Our female premier is NO Anna Bligh. This bird may come across has a silly pre-school teacher, Yet her background suggests a will to study & learn.

So while the firm may be the same, People at those firms have changed. Give this process a little time.

The horses have already said they will bring down the new board structure before the board have been hired.

So that is clearly good for greyhounds, BECAUSE the horses are NOT to be trusted.

We will see change, We will see upside & some rules we don't like.

Yet we will come thru this process stronger. Change always hurts.

PS. How is those bale pups growing ????

Elsie.


Elsie,you cant tell one from the other,shame our code couldn't grow as quick.


Nick Grimley
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06 Jun 2015 12:54


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Nick Grimley wrote:

Anthony Jeffress wrote:

Interesting listening:

EXTERNAL LINK

The only interesting part for me......much of what he said (police policing speed cameras, moving into the 21st Century etc) stemmed from posts/ideas off this very thread!!!!!

That's very sad.....plagiarism?

It's blatantly obvious, to me, and many other observers, this latest self proclaimed affiliation have zero new ideas to offer, and represent a minority group...... not the 90% they claim to represent?

Quote.......
"Following the immediate changes made to the administration of Racing Queensland today, the QGA has made contact with the Minister's office in relation to the Statutory Declaration requirement for licence renewal. We have been advised to communicate with the appointed administrator, Mr Ian Hall from KPMG.

As such, out legal representatives have written to Mr Hall today seeking an urgent meeting to attempt to resolve the matter. We continue to attempt to resolve the matter this week, and have advised Mr Hall that we have the right to seek an injunction and/or judicial review of the decision by Racing Queensland. We hope to be able to resolve this issue without having to go down that path."

What a fantastic idea......let's hold a gun to the new Sheriff's head....DERRRRRRR!!!!!

From the 100% of participants, I know.....all have signed the stat dec and have already moved on.

So what about the Courier Mail, and Anti's, wait until they find out '90% of the Industry' are reluctance to sign, yet claim to have moved into the 21st Century....won't that make a headline!!!!

And this RIDICULOUS push to be paid $40 to not run a place (raping yet more money from the deserved)?
Participants I've canvased, 90% are NOT in favour of rewarding losers.

I find it very coincidental, the new affiliation policies are a mirror of those being pushed by the UQGAtton brigade?

BAHAHAHAHA........here is the latest, non transparent, update.

"I have just finished talking to Ian Hall.

We spoke about where he is at in relation to RQ and moving forward.

Obviously we spoke about the Stat Dec and he advised that an official response is coming.

The bottom line and obviously one that RQ/The Government is not moving from is that the Stat Dec is a requirement and one that they will require. People still have the opportunity to submit their own Stat Dec and each will be assessed by RQ.

Given that we are in a very weak negotiating positon and that we must not do anything that will jeopardise our very tenuous state as an industry, I would suggest that the QGA accept that this is the position going forward.

I asked Ian if there was some flexibility around the 9 June deadline as we would probably be suggesting that people obtain their own legal advice.

He got back to me quickly and stated:

1. RQ will guarantee that those renewals submitted by COB on 9 June will be processed by 30 June.
2. People can submit after 9 June and they will process as soon as possible.
3. The longer people wait, there is a risk that renewals will not be processed in time.

Could I please get your response ASAP confirming or otherwise your Club/Assoc acceptance of this proposal."
......END

Breaking news........
It's Groundhog Day......we've heard it all before, a couple of months ago, pushed by UQGAtton.....BAHAHAHAHA

The Moral.......sink or swim, participants are now on their own to fend for themselves (shock...NOT!!!!!)

It's a long weekend, if all licence applications, accompanied by Stat Dec, aren't in by Tuesday, well, bad luck to the individual!!!'

Where's the communique to 'the believers' advising them of such?????

Long live the new Affiliation.......mail on the street says the wheels have already fallen off?


Kev Galloway
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It was a Labour racing minister and his stooge Bob Bentley who reneged on the amalgamation deal in July 2010 and it appears this racing minister is no better,it is almost 7 years without a one turn track and this has largely contributed to the current disaster IMO.


Elsie Bayliss
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07 Jun 2015 04:03


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Kevin,

While my moto is learn from History, I just have a suspicion that this ANNA is not like the last Anna. She might surprise us & get all 3 codes back on even footing.

She has nothing to lose & plenty to gain , If Racing in the Sunshine State blooms.

With Racing Victoria going live on Free to Air on 7 network, ANNA must get onto that gravy train.

We should aim to have the BEST racing in OZ. Why not .

We are 7 hours fly time from Honkers, So plenty of money to milk.
All we need to do is Build the new Track, And the money will flow.

We have Two Airports , Gold Coast & Brisbane. We have plenty of Motels. Good roads. All we need to do is get them folks from the CASINO to a Dog track. Asians know about Odds. Punting on Dogs suits them. QUICK turnover. That is our Strong advantage.

So, If this Anna could see $$$ to be milked from Asia , We have a very strong future.

Far easier than digging holes & shipping Coal to them.

Yet our real problem is that this ANNA is a ALP Diehart. She is stuck in the 19th century with Union Power.

Those days are OVER. Gone.

Elsie.


Kev Galloway
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07 Jun 2015 22:46


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kev galloway wrote:

It was a Labour racing minister and his stooge Bob Bentley who reneged on the amalgamation deal in July 2010 and it appears this racing minister is no better,it is almost 7 years without a one turn track and this has largely contributed to the current disaster IMO.

Its about time a Labour Racing Minister did the right thing by the greyhound industry,they took away our only one turn track 7 years ago in 2008,forcing young dogs to start their careers on anti welfare suicide bends and desperate trainers breaking the law in an attempt to save their pets racing life.Racing Qld are partly responsible for the current chaos,.if the compensation one turn track had been built as promised by Labour maybe the live baiting would never had happened.JMO.


Wilma Honeyman
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08 Jun 2015 02:17


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elsie bayliss wrote:

Kevin,

While my moto is learn from History, I just have a suspicion that this ANNA is not like the last Anna. She might surprise us & get all 3 codes back on even footing.

She has nothing to lose & plenty to gain , If Racing in the Sunshine State blooms.

With Racing Victoria going live on Free to Air on 7 network, ANNA must get onto that gravy train.

We should aim to have the BEST racing in OZ. Why not .

We are 7 hours fly time from Honkers, So plenty of money to milk.
All we need to do is Build the new Track, And the money will flow.

We have Two Airports , Gold Coast & Brisbane. We have plenty of Motels. Good roads. All we need to do is get them folks from the CASINO to a Dog track. Asians know about Odds. Punting on Dogs suits them. QUICK turnover. That is our Strong advantage.

So, If this Anna could see $$$ to be milked from Asia , We have a very strong future.

Far easier than digging holes & shipping Coal to them.

Yet our real problem is that this ANNA is a ALP Diehart. She is stuck in the 19th century with Union Power.

Those days are OVER. Gone.

Elsie.


You are always positive Elsie. We, the Greyhounds, have so much going for us that is never sold to the public.

I do hope Logan goes ahead. Free land and very affordable, I heard quotes of $22mil. Bull. How can Horsham build a brand new stadium, on a new site for $3mil. I despair with the Qld mate system.

It was Andrew Fraser, Labor Treasurer that supported Logan realising it to be very valuable real estate. But it was also Ludwig/Bentley Labor that brought us to grief in reneging on a Condition Precedent for Logan and Ludwig brought both Anna and Julia to grief. Indeed times have changed and money can be traced quickly and as we have seen with Fifa, wherever in the World. Let the Greyhounds establish a home at Logan and see the great financial benefits. To stand alone. To get our full percentage return from TAB or whatever they call themselves this week.
(ps before anyone starts the toxic crap on Logan tell me why the football clubs and sports clubs are eager to land Logan?)


Steve Woods
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Just had one of the new DRONES fly over my place.

Oops sorry my mistake, 747 at 30,000 looks the same size as a drone flying at 100m

Will put my glasses on next time


John Patrick Falvey
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08 Jun 2015 05:13


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Logan $14m and obviously less with one track ---but one million to one of happening and it always was much to my regret and effort to make happen.



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It would be fantasy but how good would it be to have CEO's that actually loved the breed, racing and wanted to expand and promote the sport. With some visionary leaders the sport of greyhound racing could be a fantastic industry. Unfortunately jobs for the boys, self interest and no visionaries seem to have run the sport into the ground. I can only hope some leaders who understand dogs and are passionate about the future rise to take the game to new a new positive era.


Elsie Bayliss
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08 Jun 2015 06:20


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Jack,

In all three states the Contract for the CEO`S job MUST include clauses to EXPAND the code. In all ways. Cash turnover, New tracks, Advertizing, Etc.

If they fail, Off to icac they go to face fraud charges.

Really simple this stuff....

Elsie.


John Patrick Falvey
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Not really elsie the problem has always been it needs someone to enforce it and that means being brave against all odds.

Adam carter at rql was the man for us but he was ...... by others



Steven Martin
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Jack Gatty wrote:

Unfortunately jobs for the boys, self interest and no visionaries seem to have run the sport into the ground.

Spot on Jack,
Jack Gatty wrote:
I can only hope some leaders who understand dogs and are passionate about the future rise to take the game to new a new positive era.

That's OBVIOUS to those that are in this industry Jack........You've hit the "nail, RIGHT on the head" again.

I hope our "NEW" Leaders are listening.

We need a change of luck.....but it will only occur if those in-charge are 100% for the industry.

I'M SICK OF DEAF-EARS.




Nick Grimley
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steven martin wrote:

Jack Gatty wrote:

Unfortunately jobs for the boys, self interest and no visionaries seem to have run the sport into the ground.

Spot on Jack,
Jack Gatty wrote:
I can only hope some leaders who understand dogs and are passionate about the future rise to take the game to new a new positive era.

That's OBVIOUS to those that are in this industry Jack........You've hit the "nail, RIGHT on the head" again.

I hope our "NEW" Leaders are listening.

We need a change of luck.....but it will only occur if those in-charge are 100% for the industry.

I'M SICK OF DEAF-EARS.

Steve,
Representation, inclusion and presentation....these are all equal key ingredient, needed, to help promote a change in the "deaf-ears" administration approach?
Surely it can't all be put down to bad luck?



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Some info on QGA Facebook page regarding input from participants.

The next meeting of the member Clubs and Associations will be in Brisbane on Friday 12 June. Whilst we are in the early stages of establishing a truly representative voice State wide, we appreciate that industry participants are seeking clarity on how the Affiliation will work and how your voice can be heard. We trust that the vast majority of participants are supportive of our efforts to bring the Clubs and Associations together. If you have any issues that you would like raised at our next meeting please contact your Club or Industry Association. Now, more than ever, is a time that you need to be a member of your local club and/or one of the industry associations. In the meantime, please feel free to identify issues and priorities as you see them in the comment section here or feel free to email me at [email protected]


Kev Galloway
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Doug Taylor wrote:

Some info on QGA Facebook page regarding input from participants.

The next meeting of the member Clubs and Associations will be in Brisbane on Friday 12 June. Whilst we are in the early stages of establishing a truly representative voice State wide, we appreciate that industry participants are seeking clarity on how the Affiliation will work and how your voice can be heard. We trust that the vast majority of participants are supportive of our efforts to bring the Clubs and Associations together. If you have any issues that you would like raised at our next meeting please contact your Club or Industry Association. Now, more than ever, is a time that you need to be a member of your local club and/or one of the industry associations. In the meantime, please feel free to identify issues and priorities as you see them in the comment section here or feel free to email me at [email protected]


I sense the QGA priority will be a meeting with the Racing Minister regards no one turn track for 7 years,since this is through the Labour Partys continueing neglect of the greyhound code.

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