Was impressed with the win today 22.21 at Maitland .03 outside track record

Nice stuff

Robert the dog has been with me for about 3 to 4 weeks Mal and kim sent him to me in top condition Mal can tell you what this dog has been through injuries etc Thanks :)

Not to detract from his performance but gee that Maitland track seems to be on fire....the maidens today ran 22.44 & 22.55

And Double Hit whose previous best was 25.55 ran 25.15 today

Sandro i know fully well wat you mean, i cant see any reason why a track cant be prepared the same weak in weak out. IMO all tracks should be the same besides the week following them turning the track. But as ive said b4, t/r are only broken on fast tracks by fast dogs and i have no doubt IVAN isnt the 2nd fastest dog to run over the 400 but he still ran as fast as any dog on a fast track. One saving grace SANDRO is theres only so fast they can make dirt and if this is as fast as MAITLAND gets then there could well be a couple of t/r go off in the next few weeks.
IVAN was as fast as dogs get b4 his accident and i have no doubt he would have gone a lot faster today if he was sound. He ran 16.37 first slip at IPPY from the yellow pole and anyone that knows IPPY times will know that that is freak status. His 2nd slip he was going that fast he almost caught the lure down the back and the lure driver went to speed it up but the lure stopped a metre in front of him and he smashed his inside back leg. HE shattered his knee, tore his calf muscle to pieces, ripped his leg from groin to calf and broke his leg. My vet (JERRY KING) rang me at 7.30pm that night and said it was worse than i could imagine and he wouldnt race again , and if he did he would be at least 1/2 sec slower and i said just keep stitching. We never expected good news as he almost bled to death getting him to the vet, 180 stitches latter, bone fragments removed, weeping straws hanginging out everywhere and leg in a cast we were happy enough to know we had a dog that may serve a few of our bitches in the future. He couldnt get around ALBION corner but still won in 22.90 run 8 wide around the home corner, and only wished the GOLD COAST was still around as it was a sloped corner. MAITLAND is friendly on his leg but if you get a chance to watch the race you will see he still has alot of trouble runing on that leg but as PETE will tell you hes a BLOODY GOER and just loves to run. Dont know how well everything will hold up but at this stage hes holding together real well, so fingers crossed he can handle the 450 and hopefully BULLI as he is a very exciting dog if he ever runs anywhere near wat he use to AND HES IN AN ASTUTE KENNEL NOW SO ALLS GOOD.

Yes DARRYL i cant speak highly enough of my vet (JERRY KING), hes been an absolute marvel for a couple of my dogs now. Its has been great to see how resilient IVAN has become, and even though we wont ever see the best from this dog he will win his fair share if the torn muscles stay subtle enough. JERRY also saved WILD SILENCE from being in the shit heap as well, was told by two specialists he would never race again and JERRY agreed with there diagnosis but i said we had nothing to lose by trying a few things. After about 5 visits to JERRY and a few mths gone by he said give him a go and pray, $20k in p/money later and a few city wins we got another 12mths out of the big boy. Sometimes it pays to go against the odds if you think the dog is good enough and like i say you have nothing to lose.
I think PETE and his vet must have thought i was eating to many mushrooms when i said he could still run time with those injuries as they are very visible and severe. And im sure PETE is very impressed with how hes coming along and as i said b4 if youse get the chance to watch the replay you will see him running very ackward, dipping in spots and lifting his head but he wont stop as he loves to run.

and obcause your boy....overcoming that much adversity, is inspirational

cheers

To often we don't see the real side of the story and we as observers can only see and take things at face value without knowing the hardships that go into getting some of these fine animals to the track, ubless we experience it ourselves.

As I said, I wasn;t detracting from the dog's performance and never meant any offence.

I merely observed that nearly every winner at Maitland yesterday flew around the place.....unless on the day they are all fast dogs...

On some days some of these tracks are on fire, I've seen plenty of dogs break 30.20 & 37 sec at Nowra ; at Richmond sometimes every maiden & 5th grader breaks 30.90, and Bulli has been pretty quick lately & we;ve already spoken about Maitland and you can bet some of these dogs you will never hear of them again.

That was more my point, rather than focussing on Ivan.

I was trying to put it into some form of context because with the speed of some tracks it is hard to guage a dog's true abilities.

IVAN was obviously going to be one of your GREAT dogs and the fact that you even have him racing is a phenomenal effort in skill and patience from you & your vet.

The fact that he can run BOD anywhere, regardless of the track condition, is testament to th thee will of dog himself.

RACE 8
1 FLASHY ONE SOCK 27.2 22.60 PREVIOUS RUNS 22.68/22.48
2 PURE POWER PLAY 29.2 22.75 PREVIOUS RUNS 22.73/22.68

RACE 10
1 SPRING CASEY 30.6 22.52 PREVIOUS RUNS 22.56/22.49
2 KING CHECE 34.0 22.54 PREVIOUS RUNS 22.79/22.32

RACE 9
1 IVAN BROWN 35.5 22.21 NO PREVIOUS FORM ON TRACK
2 CAPRICORN TIGER 26.0 22.92 PREVIOUS RUNS 23.06
3 GAUL 34.1 23.02 PREVIOUS RUNS 22.65

Sandro as far as the 457mt races went there were only two suprises really and they were
DOUBLE HIT winning in 25.18 when his best previously was 25.51
LIGHTNING SHOT running 2nd and running 25.39 but he had run a BOD 25.65 at WAUCHOPE

Out of the others i couldnt see any suprises at all
WATCH OUT PETE who ran 2nd to DOUBLE HIT ran his usual honest time of 25.16 with a previous 25.18 to his name.

ELITE BLUE SIZE who had previously ran 25.21/25.20 actually broke the record up SAMS straight during the week and ran accordingly with a 25.08 BOD
WINDOW WATCHER was probably a bit disappointing running 25.49 considering his last 3 previous runs were 25.18/25.28/25.18 but was probably interfered with.

SHIRLS MAGIC ran a 25.38 on the back of a 25.45 and
NERRIGUNDAH ran a 25.40 on the back of a previous 25.50

The other winner in MARKO POLO ran a 25.49 which wouldnt be a suprise to anyone considering he had a 30.60/30.63 to his name at RICHMOND and a 29.23/29.19 to his name at BULLI

Track was obviously fast but it was in no way lightning fast , probably just as fast as it gets from time to time to be fair, and SANDRO i took no offence to your statement as i will credit IVAN with a very fast run on a good track...As far as the dog you questioned you are probably fair in questioning its run compared to the other dogs on the day.

I reckon the dogs that went around that day are very quick i.e. yours, Reg's & Double Hit, but I still reckon the track is running 2 to 3 tenths fast.

I don't know how good those two maidens are or will turn out to be but 22.44 & 22.55 seem extraordinarily fast.

Anyway, I hope Ivan holds up and goes on to bigger and better things for you and Pete.

Its hardly rubbish, because its all about the formline/s and relating it to other previous winners at the track and against other tracks as well...u obviously don't punt much.......and No it isn't taking anything away from the run but trying to put it into prospective, speed/time wise.....

Your example of Pulp, was in the same race meeting where another maiden won in 22.40 and the second dog only got beaten a length....yes it was 2-3 tenths faster and acknowleged by ALL...A real good dog would have smaashed the record that day....another example is the Meadows last week where the record was broken and the winner won by less than a length.....2-3 tenths faster for sure....if u r going to assess dog/s on these times against others, u will come undone......

I'm sure our betting experts on here will tell u a similiar thing....

Sandro, wasn't taking anything from the winner, far from it, just making an observation....

cheers

In the opinion of someone who is at maitland every week the track was 1-2 tenths fast and a touch leader biased. It even showed in the post race trials until the storm ripped through and the times were affected by a very strong southerly wind.

Im not going to "BAG" any dog for winning and winning in extremely fast time after what its been through but where is Turbo Conquest the track record holder? has since had 13 starts for 0 wins? Im not saying that Ivan Brown wont go on to win his fair share but....

Zarzir that won his maiden in 22.55 has had 9 starts to break his duck and could only manage a 2nd in 22.89 as his prevous time standard at Maitland. He also had support as he only went around $2.70 favourite but was $19 and $37 in his previous 2 starts although they were in the future stars semi and final which he was the outsider of the field.

Ivan Brown is obviously a fast dog thats had his share of problems and I am glad he won at Maitland on thursday but if he ventures somewhere else or is in a race at Maitland that is "hard" ie. boxed not to my liking, I will be looking to lay him as its likely he will be a touch too short for me.

I wish I had one going that good. Best of luck with him whatever he does next!!!

Sandro i heard they either resurfaced or did something to the track this year and is a better racing surface than b4, you would probably be right in thinking the track is faster than the same time last year as there has been a lot of fast runs all year. The dog that broke the 400 record looked a fair type but was obviously injured in the final of the MAITLAND CUP. i dont think you will be getting any argument from me that the track is probably 2-3 tenths faster than last year which makes KNOCKA NORRIS and RUN THE RISKS times about 24.70 & 24.80 on todays times. They were both very exciting dogs so i would say that is definately a good estimate SANDRO.
So once again putting previous times into context IVANS time would be around 22.40 last year which would make him a lth slower than DAZZLER and a lth quicker than NOVA SURF, AND GOING BY WHAT NOVA SURF ran last year to her time a couple of mths ago your getting closer to the mark. But even with the track being faster this year IVANS times still is near t/r record regardless of the era you want to put him in.
So those maidens probably ran about 22.70 and 22.90 on last years track which would still make them fair runs without being anything great SANDRO, but as i said previously the track was no better the other day than it was earlier on the year on any given good day. TURBO CONQUEST looked like he was going to be a very handy dog but he was never going to be a KNOCKA NORRIS.......hope this helps with your summations and we will see in 12mths weather IVANS time holds up as theres only so much you can do to a piece of dirt the rest is the dogs doing.

STEPHEN are you comparing thursdays track to last years track or to last weeks track. If you are comparing the track to previous tracks this year i would say REG would be very disappointed with his dog after its trial last week, especially that meaning his dog actually went slower than the week b4. I cant agree more about the time TURBO CONQUEST ran but remember this was MAR this year and also NOVA SURF went 2-3 tenths quicker over the shorts this year as well, and i for one know NOVA SURF would not have beaten KNOCKA NORRIS over the 450 two out, so theres no way you can compare this track to last years track regardless of wat mth you want to look at would you agree????

Mal

I think you have NAILED it now....