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Using a Muzzle In Race Kennels

Mark Schlegel
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 08:07


Another thread has asked for help with a bad kennel dog and I was wondering whether stewards will allow you to use an anti-barking muzzle on race days.

I know that having a regular or American muzzle on is allowed, and I have found it can help to settle some dogs down, but they won't stop a dog barking it's head off.

I imagine if the dog can't bark that it would help to settle it down a fair bit...

I've never seen one used on race day, so I'm curious if they are permitted. I certainly can't think of any reason why not....


Howard Gray
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 08:32


I've never seen a full leather barking muzzle used so I've always taken it they were a no-no, however in recent times I have seen the Millers Wire barking muzzles used so they must be allowed I take it. Haven't used them myself but they should do the trick.

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Mitchell Tubinas
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 08:58


The wire barking muzzles are allowed here but i dont see the point unless you got a headache. They will still try to bark and make some noise and makes them agitated.



Keith Lloyd
Australia
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Dogs 43 / Races 2

08 Oct 2010 09:22


Mitchell Tubinas wrote:

The wire barking muzzles are allowed here but i dont see the point unless you got a headache. They will still try to bark and make some noise and makes them agitated.


You can not honestly believe that a dog who barks his head off in the kennel is not going to come out for his race in a better condition if he has had a ring muzzle fitted to keep his mouth shut?


John Adlam
Australia

Posts 93
Dogs 0 / Races 0

08 Oct 2010 09:51


Don't know what the current rule here in Victoria is regarding using leather barking muzzles. Used one to great effect years ago on race nights and bitch would grow a leg. The muzzle I used was drastically modified to ensure no breathing problems and only used in early races. This particular bitch had the muzzle fitted prior to night meal for a short period of time and she would just hop up on her bed and was well behaved. I think this helped her a lot in her race night behaviour.


Mark Schlegel
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 10:03


Mitchell Tubinas wrote:

The wire barking muzzles are allowed here but i dont see the point unless you got a headache. They will still try to bark and make some noise and makes them agitated.


I agree that it won't necessarily work with all dogs, but I do think it will be of some benefit for many of them.
It certainly won't hurt to give it a try.


Dean Perry
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 11:07


I have used a couple of different ones. I have used both leather and wire in NSW, although in the last 5 years I have only used the 'ring' wire muzzles. I have been told that you can't use the plastic strap muzzles with adjustable straps.

They do work for some dogs, I have had a couple of serious barkers that would just lie down and go to sleep once they realise they can't bark, and I've also had them come out of the kennels frothing at the mouth with slobber all over them and shite running down their legs because they were so stressed out through trying to bark.

My advice is test them on a dog by kenneling them for a short time on a trial day before resorting to the muzzles on race day.



Martin Tucker
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08 Oct 2010 12:47


Had a dog years ago that used to lose his races in the kennel before hand.

I then got given a leather hood for his kennel muzzle so it left him totally in the dark and the wife made some velcro boots for his paws to stop him scratching !

Result: 3-in-a-row, but then sadly he got badly hurt !

Nobody said anything here, but there were a few laughs when we were `dressing` him !


Mark Glennerster
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08 Oct 2010 13:05


On Howards reply I see that Millers are avertising the US plastic muzzle, calling it genuine, but which one is genuine as there are several companies making and distributing them, I think Bob Birdwell probably has the largest sale of these plastic muzzles in the States.

All dogs must wear a muzzle in the race kennels in the States, seen some major damage done to the holding crates if a bad kenneller gets one off. Dogs are also weighed in with a muzzle on, its part of the dogs recorded weight, open to abuse if you ask me.


Mark Schlegel
Australia
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08 Oct 2010 14:00


mark glennerster wrote:

On Howards reply I see that Millers are avertising the US plastic muzzle, calling it genuine, but which one is genuine as there are several companies making and distributing them, I think Bob Birdwell probably has the largest sale of these plastic muzzles in the States.

All dogs must wear a muzzle in the race kennels in the States, seen some major damage done to the holding crates if a bad kenneller gets one off. Dogs are also weighed in with a muzzle on, its part of the dogs recorded weight, open to abuse if you ask me.


We also weigh them with the muzzle but our wire ones weigh bugger all...
Our race kennels are metal sheet on 3 sides (and top and bottom) and metal mesh gates (bout 5-10mm spacing) so unless the dog had a double jointed jaw and severe buck teeth I doubt they could do any damage to the "crate" itself.



Mitchell Tubinas
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08 Oct 2010 14:02


Not saying it wont work for some but i have used them on a couple of mine and they still made plenty of noise somehow and only got stressed with them on. And i done it quite a few times hoping they would get used to it but no good. Anyways thats just my experience and opinion.
keith lloyd wrote:

Mitchell Tubinas wrote:

The wire barking muzzles are allowed here but i dont see the point unless you got a headache. They will still try to bark and make some noise and makes them agitated.


You can not honestly believe that a dog who barks his head off in the kennel is not going to come out for his race in a better condition if he has had a ring muzzle fitted to keep his mouth shut?





Mark Glennerster
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08 Oct 2010 14:39


Thing is Mark over the years I've seen some muzzles made heavier for weigh in and unless the clerk of the scales is really checking the official weight can be off, if someone has a dog a bit light for weigh in a heavy muzzle does the trick very often, often one ounce over or under means a scratch and a hefty fine in the US.

Crates are often either wood or even plastic, some tracks do have metal crates in the US, and you aren't allowed anywhere near them,so if you've got a barker you sometimes never know, don't forget in the States you hand your dog over to the track staff and do not see it again until after the race is over.



Anthony McVicker
Australia
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09 Oct 2010 01:08


I have a dog at present who is an absolute lunatic, barks, go nuts at anything (is mad keen) and eats beds, buckets and his wire cage.

He went to the track on raceday last thur for a look, car ride and to be kennelled with racedogs, not 5 min after leaving him, stewards called to remove him. have tried all sorts of muzzles, but he trys to tear it off, rubs against cage, and then jumps & bangs his head/body all over the place.

He some ability, but image him come race time if he's in race 10 ???

Thinking of pouring 2 weeks more work into him, then spelling on small farm 4 wks (well away from track, lure, or anything that moves). we may even muzzle him for a full day at a time.

Dam shame his attitude

Anthony


Patrick Higgins
Australia
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09 Oct 2010 03:33


Anthony McVicker wrote:

I have a dog at present who is an absolute lunatic, barks, go nuts at anything (is mad keen) and eats beds, buckets and his wire cage.

He went to the track on raceday last thur for a look, car ride and to be kennelled with racedogs, not 5 min after leaving him, stewards called to remove him. have tried all sorts of muzzles, but he trys to tear it off, rubs against cage, and then jumps & bangs his head/body all over the place.

Give him 5mg. of valium 1 hour before you go to the track (NOT TO Race or Trial), kennel him, he should be very docile during the trials. Do this twice a week for 5 weeks, then take him with out the Valium and he should not play up and you should be able to trial him, it worked for me on a a dog, who would lose nearly a kilo waiting for a trial or race.This dog went on to win 5 races. Paddy. P.S. make sure you do not do this race days.



Andrew O'connor
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09 Oct 2010 10:36


try behave paste



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