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Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 03:54
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looks good, but i believe the cheats have moved past EPO.
Stephen Chambers Australia (Verified User) Posts 21135 Dogs 3 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 03:54
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tom richards wrote:
looks good, but i believe the cheats have moved past EPO.
well time will tell tom cheers chub.
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 04:10
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how many trainers honestly believe it is a level playing field? fast dogs come from: good breeding good rearing good breaking in good "diet"
all of the above are factors, but
"gear" is being used.
Problem is users of "gear" are always one step ahead.
Authorities know what is being used, but for various reasons are unable/do not stop it.
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 12 Nov 2011 04:17
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Old news. This announcement was made months ago, all that has happened is the amount of money available for distribution from the unclaimed wagers pool has been formalized. The announcement was made by the State Government & posted on the GRV site, so to infer it is something GRV are behind this by heading this topic up "G R V Serious About Drugs In Racing" is misleading. It is for research across all 3 codes, so although there will be a benefit to our industry , it doesn't take too much nous to work out where most of the research money will be spent.
LOL everyone who is successful training is giving their dogs drugs according to some fair dinkum there are some schizo people in the world.
Stephen Chambers Australia (Verified User) Posts 21135 Dogs 3 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 04:37
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tom richards wrote:
how many trainers honestly believe it is a level playing field? fast dogs come from: good breeding good rearing good breaking in good "diet"
all of the above are factors, but
"gear" is being used.
Problem is users of "gear" are always one step ahead.
Authorities know what is being used, but for various reasons are unable/do not stop it.
thats right tom but some r soles are thick between the ears and you can bank on that lol cheers chub
Tor Janes Australia (Verified User) Posts 10026 Dogs 16 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 04:47
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just out of interest what is the third one, genetic manipulation?
RASL has identified three major drug threats to the racing industry biological and bio-engineered drugs, designer drugs and genetic manipulation
Cheers
Tor
Sue Burley Australia (Verified User) Posts 5559 Dogs 10310 / Races 14781 12 Nov 2011 04:58
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This article will give you some idea Tor, genetic manipulation was banned by the International Olympic Committee nine (yes 9) years ago.
Gary Smith Australia (Verified User) Posts 3321 Dogs 6 / Races 14 12 Nov 2011 05:19
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Probably too little too late finally check for EPO, Please I think that was yesterdays drug of choice.
there is obviously better out there now!
Tor Janes Australia (Verified User) Posts 10026 Dogs 16 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 05:42
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Thanks Sue-
Unbelievable what that can actually do , thanks for the info.
Cheers
Tor
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 06:09
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the "gear" has been selling for $3000/kg, so who do you think is buying it?
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 12 Nov 2011 06:20
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tom richards wrote:
the "gear" has been selling for $3000/kg, so who do you think is buying it?
Why don't you have the courage to tell us, instead of inferring it?
Len Jones Australia (Verified User) Posts 614 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 07:34
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Very interesting article Sue makes you wonder about the strenght of distance dogs. Do they carry those special genes of inheritance? I think so mostly because the same training methods for sprinters usually can be successfull in distance racing. A bitch that I have bred strong dogs from could run on with limited work. The same could apply to the Flying Penski type of the greyhound world, strength by breeding from the pool of genetic inheritance. Strength need not to be from a rougue trainers drug cabinet as is often mentioned but as we all hope it's in the genes.
Mark Glennerster United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 3208 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 09:53
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Genetic inheritance will always be a major fact in sport, the major problems any sport faces is the detection of genetic drugs, there is no doubt that these type of substances will be developed and probably are already involved in sport at all levels, the main problem especially with animal based sports, are the resources avalable to lay down the ground rules for an effective testing proceedure.
In amny sports the authorities do have information on pre-event levels of certain peramitors but in a sport like greyhound racing it is extreemly differcult to obtain information on all the elite performers in our sport, sure it could be achieved for a number of elite animals but no-one really knows where and when a new star can break into the circle of elite animals same in the horsey world, at least in other sports it often takes time or the numbers involved are such that pre-event levels are reasonably easy to obtain, lest face it most track and field stars rarely come on the scene unheralded.
Brian Young Australia (Verified User) Posts 817 Dogs 103 / Races 76 12 Nov 2011 10:03
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Chris Hislop wrote:
Old news. This announcement was made months ago, all that has happened is the amount of money available for distribution from the unclaimed wagers pool has been formalized. The announcement was made by the State Government & posted on the GRV site, so to infer it is something GRV are behind this by heading this topic up "G R V Serious About Drugs In Racing" is misleading. It is for research across all 3 codes, so although there will be a benefit to our industry , it doesn't take too much nous to work out where most of the research money will be spent.
LOL everyone who is successful training is giving their dogs drugs according to some fair dinkum there are some schizo people in the world.
I agree Chris
Craig Jackson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1642 Dogs 8 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 12:27
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Agree Chris, yes i did say AGREE lol.
the thread is missing the word "NOT" in it.
Sandro Bechini Australia (Verified User) Posts 19488 Dogs 15268 / Races 1856 12 Nov 2011 19:53
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Chris Hislop wrote:
tom richards wrote:
the "gear" has been selling for $3000/kg, so who do you think is buying it?
Why don't you have the courage to tell us, instead of inferring it?
Exactly, I was thinking the same thing
Instead of muck raking, spill it
Tom Richards Australia (Verified User) Posts 1003 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 20:33
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research racing (horses and dogs) world wide and you will see the "trends" in all countries on what is being used.
It would be naive, to believe greyhound racing here is not following all these trends and that nothing is being used. (East Germany in the 1980's where athletes suddenly improved by lengths not tenths in a range of sports and records are only now being broken show what can be done)
I asked a question, who do you think is using it? Instead, ask yourself " do i honestly believe our racing is "gear" free"
Stephen Chambers Australia (Verified User) Posts 21135 Dogs 3 / Races 0 12 Nov 2011 20:54
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tom richards wrote:
research racing (horses and dogs) world wide and you will see the "trends" in all countries on what is being used.
It would be naive, to believe greyhound racing here is not following all these trends and that nothing is being used. (East Germany in the 1980's where athletes suddenly improved by lengths not tenths in a range of sports and records are only now being broken show what can be done)
I asked a question, who do you think is using it? Instead, ask yourself " do i honestly believe our racing is "gear" free"
exactly tom the trouble is some people dont read the posting as you put it well said cheers chub.
Chris Hislop Australia (Verified User) Posts 2497 Dogs 210 / Races 60 12 Nov 2011 21:19
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tom richards wrote:
research racing (horses and dogs) world wide and you will see the "trends" in all countries on what is being used.
It would be naive, to believe greyhound racing here is not following all these trends and that nothing is being used. (East Germany in the 1980's where athletes suddenly improved by lengths not tenths in a range of sports and records are only now being broken show what can be done)
I asked a question, who do you think is using it? Instead, ask yourself " do i honestly believe our racing is "gear" free"
You are making the statement , you are making the insinuations, so unless you definitively know for a fact stop making insinuations. Put up or shut up & stop trying to back down. Plenty of things some trainers may be doing, but unless you know some facts, why open your mouth?
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