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Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 26 Jul 2018 22:16
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Russ Forno wrote:
Ours are coming up 20 weeks. The biggest most raw boned, aggressive pups i have ever seen. The bitches are the pick, as big as the dogs and better looking. Already in the bull ring, completely nuts. 18 weeks 19 kilos, ( not fat , very lanky). Buggers of dogs, aggressive, hole diggers, go all day. Dont know if that is a bad thing, or a good thing. What i do know , is they are chasing "nuts". Do not understand comments about " timid" pups.I know of other litters being hole digging ferals. To each their own. 15 months will tell. cheers.
After a certain amount of time or certain volume has been reached by any sire , there are common trends or traits that are found to be reoccurring. There are variables in assessing this aswell , not always the sire to blame or to credit! Damline has to be considered aswell .... What I said on another thread was not an attack , it was an evaluation from a handful of litters from very reputable rearers and damlines also . With this in mind you have to take note and learn from others experiences! I have seen them with my own eyes. Rearers and breakers are the 2 fields of people who need comment on this , NOT your elite trainers at city tracks reaping the rewards of the finished product from the select cream of the pool in each sires offspring ! My point and statement for offering anyone who is considering using my bro Fabio Is to expose them young to everything and anyone as 90% of what I have seen will run the other way from a human hand ! This is what I call TIMID/SPOOKEY and erratic comes to mind also ! This makes life tough when doing any form of work ,when you are the rearer/trainer Eg drag lure straight work , bullring etc ! Makes a 5 min procedure turn into a 20 min event . An owner ringing in for updates on their prize pup or watching them race from the comfort of their lounge chair , wouldn't have a clue ! I stated getting in early to reduce this reoccurring trait I've seen on more then 5 seperate litters . What you have stated Russ is your doing exactly that .....bullring at 5mths isn't exactly leaving them in a paddock till their 13 mths old ! Thus my advise is proving correct and helpful as I believe you can curve or change most habits or traits with the correct care and attention! I also stated my bro produces nice types ! Strength is his forte , and this is what our industry is in need off! At a guess Russ id say your or the brood that has produced the litter you have at present to my bro Fabio , had quite a bit of fire in her to begin with and also the early introduction to most things is awesome ! Well done and congrats
Nathan What you say has merit but every sire today needs encouragement ...
You cannot waste a pup in a run in fact you need them chasing hanging on as 6 month old i agree not many spend the time with there pups but the people who do always reap the rewards and that is why some people rear better than others ....
Your point about bagging a Sire is what you need pulling up on.
Take all new sires it takes at least 3 years before you start to see the results FACT .
many of these first season sires do not attract the best bitches in the land..
It is way to early to bag a sire like My Bro Fabio .RESULTS speak and he has thrown a freak ..
I dont think you guys understand how much you impact on a new season sire when you come out with utter rubbish and in fact its total bullshit what you have to say about this dog .
You would not of been around long enough to hear the bagging Bombastic Shiraz copped with his first crop of pups and many were bagging him constantly but after 3 years those same people had to suck it up and he become one of our very best sires today ..
Kinloch Brea ...This dog got hammered early on in his Stud career in Australia now look at him
I can go on and on ....You get my drift Nathan ..
Nathan you have no right to bad a dog with only a hand-full of litters ..racing
Three years ago every person here and all of the breeding GURU'S said American Sires were duds and how wrong were they ....
Give a new sire a go and WAIT until his oldest pups are at least 3 years of age because its the only fare thing to do ..
If anyone of you guys had stud dogs then you would understand just how much crap gets thrown at them even before there pups reach the track ..
I have managed 5 Sires and i also have some more arriving very soon ...
I put my money were my mouth is just like every other battler in this game does ..
Why do the Commercial guys get a easy ride from the Knockers but the battler gets so much sh1t thrown at then ..
Give the dog a break and give the Owners a break because many owners do get very pissed off reading this kind of DIATRIBE ...
Nathan you have no right to bad a dog with only a hand-full of litters ..racing
3rd and last time ........ Mine and many others evaluation on a sires off springs traits that are becoming a common trend and then highlighting this and discussing this to further assist rearers and more importantly, assist the sire is hardly bad mouthing ,especially highlighting in the same breathe he can produce types with strength (an industry essential) Clearly you are missing a few points , it's called honesty and clarity ! If you wish to take it as a swipe , good luck to you , I don't wish to enter a debacle on something I actually do have a right to comment constructively on Kevin !
I don't need to wait till 1000 RACING offspring like Collision / Heady , duds or champs! Fabregas /Can be soft Penske. /Need time Sprite /Yappers El grand /Headstrong Spring gun /Over the top
Harden up Kevin , it's called conversation ! Not everything is a fight or intended to drag Poeple or dogs down like your insinuating! Get off it would you .
I'll go around and talk and see for myself who's used him at present ! Watching any sires offspring on the track is a percentage of the research on what's needed to assist and help your brood ! Not the entire and only picture ! This information could be useful for Poeple who have a dam line that is a bit on the soft or timid side already ! My bro Fabio is a success at stud , statistically and strength patterns on track . This topic I'm referring to was originally for someone about to whelp and rear !
A handful of pups on the ground ????? There's where you missed my point ! There's more then a handful being REARED ! What are the ones I've seen the only handful in AUS ? You're kidding yourself this time around Kevin
Sorry for constructive feedback , better swept under the rug huh !
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 27 Jul 2018 04:14
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:
Nathan you have no right to bad a dog with only a hand-full of litters ..racing
3rd and last time ........ Mine and many others evaluation on a sires off springs traits that are becoming a common trend and then highlighting this and discussing this to further assist rearers and more importantly, assist the sire is hardly bad mouthing ,especially highlighting in the same breathe he can produce types with strength (an industry essential) Clearly you are missing a few points , it's called honesty and clarity ! If you wish to take it as a swipe , good luck to you , I don't wish to enter a debacle on something I actually do have a right to comment constructively on Kevin !
I don't need to wait till 1000 RACING offspring like Collision / Heady , duds or champs! Fabregas /Can be soft Penske. /Need time Sprite /Yappers El grand /Headstrong Spring gun /Over the top
Harden up Kevin , it's called conversation ! Not everything is a fight or intended to drag Poeple or dogs down like your insinuating! Get off it would you .
I'll go around and talk and see for myself who's used him at present ! Watching any sires offspring on the track is a percentage of the research on what's needed to assist and help your brood ! Not the entire and only picture ! This information could be useful for Poeple who have a dam line that is a bit on the soft or timid side already ! My bro Fabio is a success at stud , statistically and strength patterns on track . This topic I'm referring to was originally for someone about to whelp and rear !
A handful of pups on the ground ????? There's where you missed my point ! There's more then a handful being REARED ! What are the ones I've seen the only handful in AUS ? You're kidding yourself this time around Kevin
Sorry for constructive feedback , better swept under the rug huh !
I almost agree on everything you said Nathan.
*But would like to add Fernando Bale, Shakey Jakey, Dyna Double one, Banjo Boy and Barcia Bale to the collision category. *Add Moreira and My Bro Fabio in with Fabregas. *Change Flying Penske from need time to need a miracle. *Argue that not all Sprites are yappers. *And not all Spring Guns are over the top, but they all seem to eat poo for some reason.
Chris Morson Australia (Verified User) Posts 43 Dogs 0 / Races 0 27 Jul 2018 05:25
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My my bro fabio x miss sueko pups are now 9 months. Beautiful leggy pups, friendly walking well on lead. Very happy with them.
Kevin Wright Australia (Verified User) Posts 5708 Dogs 1 / Races 1 27 Jul 2018 08:07
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Chris morson wrote:
My my bro fabio x miss sueko pups are now 9 months. Beautiful leggy pups, friendly walking well on lead. Very happy with them.
The pups i have seen have been great looking and very forward in all ways ...
I believe this dog can cut the mustard and all sires throw Non chasers these days regardless who the sire is .
I have no bias i dont know the owners or the trainer ...
I would personally use My Bro Fabio ....He can throw the freak factor ..
His bloodline is ripe for American and English Irish Blood broods ...
He has a great balance of bloodline suiting Australian broods with proven results from limited matings ..
Rob Frendo Australia (Verified User) Posts 322 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Aug 2018 05:32
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Equilibrium has all the trade marks of a special stayer simply outstanding today, reminded me of his dads chase
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 17 Aug 2018 10:34
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Robert Frendo wrote:
Equilibrium has all the trade marks of a special stayer simply outstanding today, reminded me of his dads chase
You could be right Robert, not many can go from last to first like he did tonite and pull there pants down the way he did. Only downfall mite be how wide he tracks in his races
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 19 Aug 2018 08:45
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EXTERNAL LINK Tritt Tritt went super last night running some very slick time on a wet track and another b.o.d to his already impressive record
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 23 Aug 2018 23:10
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CLICK HERE Congrats on a great training effort last nite Jamie Q Sat 3 and 4 wide the trip and won running away
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 03 Sep 2018 03:50
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Another good weekend for the fabios headed by this win in the final sat nite in b.o.d
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 04 Oct 2018 21:19
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CLICK HERE Not a bad start to this ones career Two for two winning maiden final last nite at Sandown in best of night performance 29.38 and is out of super producing brood Born Ali Look forward to watching this ones career develop!
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 06 Oct 2018 05:25
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CLICK HERE had 1 pup to this bloke. She must be 9 months old. Shes a nice size likes to run all day and it very alert.
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No complaints about this stud dog.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 11 Oct 2018 22:47
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Not a bad nite out for the Fabio's 4 x winners at sandown last nite and a heat winner of the great chase in 25.30 at shep Also a nice winner Wednesday in a heat of the great chase at the meadows (Pandaken 29.96)
Darren Langley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3159 Dogs 12 / Races 0 12 Oct 2018 08:14
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
Not a bad nite out for the Fabio's 4 x winners at sandown last nite and a heat winner of the great chase in 25.30 at shep Also a nice winner Wednesday in a heat of the great chase at the meadows (Pandaken 29.96)
Thats a Great night out.
Russ Forno Australia (Verified User) Posts 274 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Oct 2018 12:16
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I think this stud will eventually surprise all the pundits. They are not classically built greyhounds. From what i have seen to date they grow into themselves. I have only viewed three litters, from what i have seen, they have size, length, height, not much width. Adapt fast, easily managed, outgoing,and may need time only due to the way they are built. Only my opinion.
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 28 Oct 2018 05:36
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Another good week in town for the Fabios A best of nite performance thurs nite at Sandown A double at the meadows last nite grade 5 600m final and Hume cup heat winner and to top it off a slick 34.08 winner at sandown today over 595m
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 28 Oct 2018 08:59
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And 3 tickets for failing to chase at Richmond on Friday night. I know it's all breeds these days, but not a good look
Mark Mihailovic Australia (Verified User) Posts 698 Dogs 1 / Races 0 28 Oct 2018 10:06
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This sire just continues to throw city class and group quality animals in such a short time on a regular basis from all lines and you continue to bag him Matt Its pretty sad really!
Matt Griffiths Australia (Verified User) Posts 1954 Dogs 56 / Races 2 28 Oct 2018 21:11
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Mark Mihailovic wrote:
This sire just continues to throw city class and group quality animals in such a short time on a regular basis from all lines and you continue to bag him Matt Its pretty sad really!
and i'm not out to continually bag the dog, I just point out what the majority see. there are probably plenty of sires that I see through rose coloured glasses (like you do with Fabio, nothing wrong with that) that most people hate.
Sam Watson Australia (Verified User) Posts 315 Dogs 0 / Races 0 28 Oct 2018 22:21
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Can confirm that what posters above said about him throwing 'Spooky' or 'timid' dogs. My litter that are 12 weeks old where very spooky of me 1st time i saw them, took them a little while to warm up. Not a bad thing persay, just one of those sires that might need more hands on in the rearing phase and not just left in a paddock (They shouldn't be left in a paddock regardless of sire anyway).
However in saying that, they are beautiful pups. Great big feet, really solid size and already mad on the squeeker. Really looking forward to them maturing
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