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Hi All...I have just read Tony Gallaghers replys...This thread and petition has been a major success and is one of our main source of informing our members and fellow owners/trainers etc of what the GRII is all about and to keep you updated with the latest information we receive. I would ask all to respect this site and its moderators and to obey its rules.
We at the GRII promote Integrity and have always refrained from mentioning anybodies name on this forum or in our Public meetings until all allegations are proven to be fact and in the public domain.
I would ask all to please respect this as we are getting places with 37 published samples since the formation of the GRII. We are tackling the publication of All samples as matter of priority both positive and negative and also our Goal of separating Dog from owner/trainer when positives are found.
I hope you all appreciate where we are coming from and sincerely thank you all for your continued support
Why not give a dog found positive a three month ban from racing I'm sure owners would not want a dog laying up that long and they would be telling there trainers to be sure there are no drugs in there dogs
Good point Susan, If the owners were also hit with a 500E fine the trainer hit with 1000E fine and reprimanded or given a ban this in itself would rid the sport of drugs ,and very easy to implement imo.
Susan White United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 148 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Apr 2014 19:04
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Even without the fines if the igb put in the three month ban owners would be looking at trainers caught before and would not be sending there dogs to them
IT makes a lot of sense as the trainer would be loosing business loosing money and not making money with that dog, we will keep your thoughts in mind Susan thanks.
The rules should be strike (1) 2,000 fine dog and trainer banned from racing for 1 mouth, strike (2) 5,000 fine dog and trainer banned from racing for 3 months, strike (3) no fine trainer banned for life and no dogs can race from the address the trainer gave for his kennels to the IGB stops them handing it over to their spouse or siblings nothing less will suffice, all winners even in stakes should be tested and odds on dogs that run very badly for no apparent reason should all so be tested.
The rules should be strike (1) 2,000 fine dog and trainer banned from racing for 1 mouth, strike (2) 5,000 fine dog and trainer banned from racing for 3 months, strike (3) no fine trainer banned for life and no dogs can race from the address the trainer gave for his kennels to the IGB stops them handing it over to their spouse or siblings nothing less will suffice, all winners even in stakes should be tested and odds on dogs that run very badly for no apparent reason should all so be tested.
Damien I can not disagree with anything you have said...The main problem is the willingness of the IGB/Control Committee to implement those rules and would not have a problem dishing them out to the small guy
Susan White United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 148 Dogs 1 / Races 0 25 Apr 2014 19:43
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Iive been in dogs all my life I race my dogs in lifford I've won my fair share of comps last year I had a four timer and two trebles also two of my dogs were I and 2 winning most races in lifford.done all this without drugs I been tested numerous times and never had a positive so it can be done without drugs
When my dogs get tested I would always say to the trainer I bet some cheat got away with it tonight,my taughts are if you cheat and win your not the real winner that's why I can breed my bitchs and have a better chance than a drug monkey of success, and one thing a lot of people are not getting it's not only about winning stakes and races the most importing thing here is ANIMAL CRUELTY when some one drugs there dogs there some lovers of greys alright.
The Irish Greyhound Board ,best practice guide 13. PROHIBITED SUBSTANCES The welfare of the greyhound is always uppermost in the mind of those who care for them on a daily basis, thus great care is taken with matters such as food and exercise. Concern for the greyhound is probably at its highest during periods of injury or sickness and every effort is made to administer the best medicines. However, it is important to allow adequate withdrawal times b e t ween administration of such therapeutic medications and the competition. This section seeks to increase awareness among owners and trainers of the considerations involved in administering therapeutic substances to the racing greyhound. The owner/trainer is always responsible for any prohibited substance residues present in a greyhounds urine or body fluid and it should also be noted that compliance with any published detection period will not constitute a defence to the presence of a prohibited substance in a sample.
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 27 Apr 2014 07:52
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Could anyone tell me the procedure in relation to testing for prohibited drugs. I see that there is a list of positive results from the Bord Na Gcon published in the Sporting Press on 24 April 2014, however this includes positive tests as far back as January 2012. Are these results published regularly as it seems that a wait of over 2 years for publication is fairly extreme. Once a positive test is confirmed would a trainer be called before the Committee to give there explanation re the positive. Finally are the fines always so low. To a gambling man the a fine of 100 or 150 would be a drop in the ocean compared to what it is possible to make backing or laying your dog.
Could anyone tell me the procedure in relation to testing for prohibited drugs. I see that there is a list of positive results from the Bord Na Gcon published in the Sporting Press on 24 April 2014, however this includes positive tests as far back as January 2012. Are these results published regularly as it seems that a wait of over 2 years for publication is fairly extreme. Once a positive test is confirmed would a trainer be called before the Committee to give there explanation re the positive. Finally are the fines always so low. To a gambling man the a fine of 100 or 150 would be a drop in the ocean compared to what it is possible to make backing or laying your dog.
I think you have hit the nail on the head here Chris, certain people seem to be able to do whatever they want when it comes to racing dogs whilst any of the rest of us put a foot out of place we would get nailed to the cross, it has always shocked me that the bookies havent kicked up more to the IGB about dopeing dogs.
Could anyone tell me the procedure in relation to testing for prohibited drugs. I see that there is a list of positive results from the Bord Na Gcon published in the Sporting Press on 24 April 2014, however this includes positive tests as far back as January 2012. Are these results published regularly as it seems that a wait of over 2 years for publication is fairly extreme. Once a positive test is confirmed would a trainer be called before the Committee to give there explanation re the positive. Finally are the fines always so low. To a gambling man the a fine of 100 or 150 would be a drop in the ocean compared to what it is possible to make backing or laying your dog.
Chris , all the issues you have raised in your post have been discussed with the Board when the GRII met with them in Clonmel. The GRII and all greyhound people across the country want a change to the current Control Committees procedure's regarding their handling of certain cases, the small man gets his name published as the big trainers threaten court action if their names are published ,this cannot continue as our sport is in rapid decline ,The GRII will do what ever it takes to rectify the serious issues within the Control Committees operating procedures and none publication of certain greyhounds who have been found to have prohibited substances ,the Control Committee have serious questions to answer over their handling of certain cases linked to certain trainers and the GRII will get those responsible to come clean.
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 27 Apr 2014 09:31
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Well Dave, the sooner this is sorted out the better. I don't see how anyone can run a dog with the expectation that there is a level playing field at the moment.
I was stunned to see positives for drugs such as caffeine. There must be a complete disregard for the rules coupled with an ineffective enforcement of the regulations for this to happen. If the rules are better enforced and a more sensible level of fines introduced then trainers both large and small will be far less likely to use prohibited drugs. To my mind the amount of dogs a trainer has is irrelevant and all trainers should expect to be dealt with in the same manner.
I know it has been said elsewhere on the thread but how can anyone buy a race dog or use a stud dog from Ireland with confidence that it has been racing clean.
A line needs to be drawn in the sand and stricter enforcement started quickly. Pretending there isn't a problem and dragging the issue out for months or years on end will just compound the problem. In order to secure a healthy future for the Irish greyhound industry all outstanding matters need to be addressed and justice needs to be seen to be done immediately.
I cant get my head around the published tests, a lot of them were for caffeine that I thought was a stimulant yet most if not all were placed well down the field, am I missing something or are these guys just incompetent. The powers that be are still looking for their integrity I see,will they ever find it I wonder.
A line needs to be drawn in the sand and stricter enforcement started quickly. Pretending there isn't a problem and dragging the issue out for months or years on end will just compound the problem. In order to secure a healthy future for the Irish greyhound industry all outstanding matters need to be addressed and justice needs to be seen to be done immediately.
Chris , regarding the outstanding matters ,it is because of this we are in this shambolic mess and its down to the select few who have and continue to keep us there, it is now time for the IGB to come out into the public domain to name and shame ,as this matter will not go away until fully addressed .if the IGB do not address this matter immediately and stop the cover ups from being made public ,we the GRII will do it for you .
Pat Finn Ireland (Verified User) Posts 278 Dogs 3 / Races 0 27 Apr 2014 14:24
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chris houlding wrote:
Well Dave, the sooner this is sorted out the better. I don't see how anyone can run a dog with the expectation that there is a level playing field at the moment.
I was stunned to see positives for drugs such as caffeine. There must be a complete disregard for the rules coupled with an ineffective enforcement of the regulations for this to happen. If the rules are better enforced and a more sensible level of fines introduced then trainers both large and small will be far less likely to use prohibited drugs. To my mind the amount of dogs a trainer has is irrelevant and all trainers should expect to be dealt with in the same manner.
I know it has been said elsewhere on the thread but how can anyone buy a race dog or use a stud dog from Ireland with confidence that it has been racing clean.
A line needs to be drawn in the sand and stricter enforcement started quickly. Pretending there isn't a problem and dragging the issue out for months or years on end will just compound the problem. In order to secure a healthy future for the Irish greyhound industry all outstanding matters need to be addressed and justice needs to be seen to be done immediately.
Chris,
There are genuine owners and trainers whose dogs are running on their merits.
It is up to the breeder and the buyer to choose wisely.
Chris Houlding United Kingdom (Verified User) Posts 929 Dogs 10 / Races 3 27 Apr 2014 16:09
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Pat, I am sure that the vast majority of dogs are running clean. I have bought dogs from Ireland and will do so again. As with any purchase it is up to the purchaser to be make the necessary enquiries and purchase wisely. It surely doesn't help matters though when positive tests aren't published. This information should be in the public domain to help purchasers make an informed decision as to which trainers/owners they want to deal with.
Pat Finn Ireland (Verified User) Posts 278 Dogs 3 / Races 0 27 Apr 2014 18:49
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chris houlding wrote:
Pat, I am sure that the vast majority of dogs are running clean. I have bought dogs from Ireland and will do so again. As with any purchase it is up to the purchaser to be make the necessary enquiries and purchase wisely. It surely doesn't help matters though when positive tests aren't published. This information should be in the public domain to help purchasers make an informed decision as to which trainers/owners they want to deal with.
Chris.
In time the GRII will get integrity back into our sport.
Pat ,The only way the GRII can restore Integrity back into this corrupt sport is for the IGB and certain individual's to sort out their differences which have been the major contributor to this fiasco and corruption , if it means removing one or the other or both parties so be it , they have no one to blame but themselves,
There has been no evidence from the Igb of willingness to implement there own rules , the rules are there but they only apply to the lesser (in there eyes) greyhound folk .The sport is going nowhere fast as long as this attitude is allowed to persist .Looking back in the archives on what has gone on in the IGB over the last ten years is shocking with a dog having been found with banned substance nominated for greyhound of the year for instance ?.It seems like drastic action will have to be taken to get a change of attitude and restore some sort of INTEGRITY back in our sport IMO.It is a sad sad situation we have to fight to get Fairness in our sport and our elected representatives of successive governments allow this this shame to continue?.
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