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Tom Astbury
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There has been recent comments included under the 9 races at WP topic on G-G concerning the GBOTA which warrants discussion in its own relevant topic concerning specifically the GBOTA, its role and perhaps future.

These recent comments by bookmaker Jeff Holland, based on the writers claims of being leaked copious amounts of information from the GBOTA, suggest there is serious disruption within the GBOTA organization and includes the statement that the executive of GRNSW refuses to meet with certain GBOTA directors. This state of affairs, if true and not just trolling, is certainly not acceptable for either the sport or the GBOTA. Such refusal, if true, appears in breach of GRNSWs management responsibility under the Act.

The GBOTA was created in the days of emerging unionism with an Articles of Association reflecting the organizational structure of a union of greyhound racing persons pinnacling to an executive. The executive unionists have absolute control of the affairs of the organization and their racing share with little interference from a disinterested Government. Time also evolved a more valuable system of wagering and with it taxing of that business providing part for the benefit of racing providers earning those profits. Riches flowed in and with it regulators who relied on the input and suggestions of the incumbent racing bodies themselves. These groups had a deep self interest in kingdom building via the positions they scrambled to occupy and in the information they provided.

The GBOTA had no need to change and has remained in the time warp of its unionist creation without a need to evolve itself to meet modern business cost control. With so many satellites, be they mileage, wages or anything else, costs can be dispersed in a manner that localizes none. All that their leaders had to do to stay in power was to promise members riches. But inevitably human frailties came to the fore. Jealousy, greed, cupidity, egotism are but some terms coming to mind. The chickens, in terms of dollar costs and bank holdings, appear now to have come home to roost.

Today this organization is being rent from within and without by dissenters, directors have resigned due to the attacks on personal effort coupled with independence, has had to join with the authority for self-protection and forced to link with new blood that have a more positive approach to securing a more equitable distribution of race earnings that the GBOTA were never able to raise let alone achieve. So gross has the elephant been allowed to become that to attempt to dismember it will destroy the whole industry zoo. But shouldnt it be caged in some manner, expenses curtailed and perhaps the expensive executive system suspended? In other words, have they reached their use-by-date?
Where lies the future?



John McAlister
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Tom I mmay be wrong but was,nt the GBOTA formed because of the lockout of trainers way back in the early days and it was the scabs [NCA]that broke the line and raced their dogs.The GBOTA have been about for a long time they were made up of Trainers and fraternity of families etc that sat and do sit at local meetings and I don,t think anything has changed I can remember when I was in it was run like a union meeting and if you had any point to bring up it was pretty hard to get a say and usually no one listened.I never liked the GBOTA it,s an organisation where the top of the Hierachy like to do things their way and I doubt whether anything has changed to me they don,t represent everyone but they do have a manipulation over a lot of greyhound clubs no I think they are well spent and it,s time to get rid of the jobs for the boys syndrome and as they say about the national cricket team once your in it,s very hard to get dropped it,s been a real I Am Association and nothing will change maybe a face or two...good topic
Note:Members who had the better dogs and a little more standing around the traps always seemed to get the top jobs and I don,t think that has changed


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Tom This Club WREAKS with nepotism and hypocricy and possible ?.Some have who are at the helm of this club have made exceptions to the rules to suit theirselfs.Its like do as i say, not as i do these exceptions prove the rules and test the rules validity ,you ask where lies the future, like the NCA they should be shown the door


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Tom, perhaps you should first declare that you were a two term director and have been a ceaseless and uncritical supporter of two directors, and have in the past saw nothing wrong with running political campaigns on the net on their behalf.

You have a copious knowledge of the rules, but dont seem to think they apply equally to all. You know, sending an addressed e-mail and then CC'ing that e-mail is publication.

But since your asking the question, perhaps you should start by mounting a defence of the current Went Pk management Committee's performance in regards to Friday nights.

Have they done well managing the timeslot, especially in light of the fact that with GRNSW's subsidy, there is no shortage of funds to promote the meeting.

You've supported them Tom, and heavily criticized the former Chairman, and since hes been gone 4 years now, and they have been in office for 6-8 years, they've had plenty of time, so what have they done?


John Staines
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in my opinion most of the gbota members like to sit back and let the same few people take the ball up so to speak which in my opinion wont help there cause one little bit its the same with some of the directors there scared if they stand up to the head honcho's they might loose there jacket they so dearly love take there jacket away it would be like cutting off one of there arms until everyone stands on there own to feet we will be walked over all the time.


Mark Staines
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jeff holland wrote:

Tom, perhaps you should first declare that you were a two term director and have been a ceaseless and uncritical supporter of two directors, and have in the past saw nothing wrong with running political campaigns on the net on their behalf.

You have a copious knowledge of the rules, but dont seem to think they apply equally to all. You know, sending an addressed e-mail and then CC'ing that e-mail is publication.

But since your asking the question, perhaps you should start by mounting a defence of the current Went Pk management Committee's performance in regards to Friday nights.

Have they done well managing the timeslot, especially in light of the fact that with GRNSW's subsidy, there is no shortage of funds to promote the meeting.

You've supported them Tom, and heavily criticized the former Chairman, and since hes been gone 4 years now, and they have been in office for 6-8 years, they've had plenty of time, so what have they done?

What did the NCA achieve post Baily ????
When the HEAD HONCHO goes so should his cronies from the Directors right down to the office staff.



Tom Astbury
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Jeff
My intent was simply to draw attention and debate to the claims you are making from your inner sanctum source which infers the organization is self-destructing. That must be a worry for the whole industry. It is clearly for the members themselves to decide the pros and cons of the situations you refer to, not I.

It certainly seems the sentiments you express are not widely held.



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Tom, surely you could have listed one achievement, just to get the debate going?

What happened to the forensic audit of the turnstile project?

Wasnt that a strong issue some years ago, and one of the main reasons for voting out the former chairman.




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Tom Astbury wrote:

Jeff
My intent was simply to draw attention and debate to the claims you are making from your inner sanctum source which infers the organization is self-destructing. That must be a worry for the whole industry. It is clearly for the members themselves to decide the pros and cons of the situations you refer to, not I.

It certainly seems the sentiments you express are not widely held.


Hi Tom
Lets put forward some FACTS re the GBOTA from my own experience! Now re the GREENS complaint I also forward a complaint re their behavior at the N&HRDA and my complaint never surfaced but the Greens did complain and it seemed to me they had a lot of sway with the Directors,other complaints about them and the line manager at Maitland but they were more concern with nailing me because iv'e spoke out against them with truths. Now at the time that i addressed the board with the CEO i ask re my complaint and the answer i was given

That your complaint, isolation,refers to but provides no specific information regarding the alleged " continued abuse and harassment of members but i produced the written complaints re their harassment which with them carried no weight and i also produced a POLICE statement re threaten phone calls to myself and my family by the family of the ex director whom had complained about my verbal exchange with them at the meeting of the N&HRDA meeting on the 17th march 2013, Now at the april meeting of the N&HRDA i formally apologised to the ex director and to the meeting. This was not excepted buy the ex.I then told the CEO i would not offer another apologie i felt once was enough Now in their wisdom they found me guilty under clause 24.1.5 i then informed the CEO i would be appealing the 12 months suspension of my membership. Don't let them grizzle about cost and of the appeal i warned them it would cost heaps the only two directors that showed any common sense re the whole matter is the two that Holland has bagged he talks about waste I believe most directors spend about $25,000 a year going to AGRA (now the two that he bags don't go ,they are t the only two that don't go! the rest treat it as a free holiday that we pay for .IF i had my way that money would go to prize money.That's why under the present structure the GBOTA have no future, wake up members its time for change sorry but this must happen or the free Bees will continue at your expense !


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jeff holland wrote:

Tom, surely you could have listed one achievement, just to get the debate going?

What happened to the forensic audit of the turnstile project?

Wasnt that a strong issue some years ago, and one of the main reasons for voting out the former chairman.


Jefferey
What ever happen to your claims of misappropriation of moneys put into BULLI or taken out,you were ask by the Directors to show them some evidence re this claim of yours so they could proceed with criminal action ,They are still waiting for information. It has shades of the NCA type of cover up They wonder who is protecting who for what reason,Jefferey this is a claim made by you, we would all love to know what really went down and so would the SELECT COMMITTEE Now it is a of matter ones integrity, maybe a forensic audit could clear the matter up would you agree?


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Really Bob, the request I got was for information which the GBOTA already had, was on the public record, or available from ASIC.

Beyond that any issues are for the Bulli management committee, as once advised of concerns, its their responsibility to follow up.

You know Bob, asking me who was on the Bulli committee when the GBOTA took over the race dates, when the person asking was a director at the time, to the best of my knowledge sat on the joint management committee, and should have done the due diligence is an odd question.

As to the rest of your claims, I keep e-mails, and what you claim wasnt asked.


Corey ODonnell
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robert whitelaw wrote:

Tom Astbury wrote:

Jeff
My intent was simply to draw attention and debate to the claims you are making from your inner sanctum source which infers the organization is self-destructing. That must be a worry for the whole industry. It is clearly for the members themselves to decide the pros and cons of the situations you refer to, not I.

It certainly seems the sentiments you express are not widely held.


Hi Tom
Lets put forward some FACTS re the GBOTA from my own experience! Now re the GREENS complaint I also forward a complaint re their behavior at the N&HRDA and my complaint never surfaced but the Greens did complain and it seemed to me they had a lot of sway with the Directors,other complaints about them and the line manager at Maitland but they were more concern with nailing me because iv'e spoke out against them with truths. Now at the time that i addressed the board with the CEO i ask re my complaint and the answer i was given

That your complaint, isolation,refers to but provides no specific information regarding the alleged " continued abuse and harassment of members but i produced the written complaints re their harassment which with them carried no weight and i also produced a POLICE statement re threaten phone calls to myself and my family by the family of the ex director whom had complained about my verbal exchange with them at the meeting of the N&HRDA meeting on the 17th march 2013, Now at the april meeting of the N&HRDA i formally apologised to the ex director and to the meeting. This was not excepted buy the ex.I then told the CEO i would not offer another apologie i felt once was enough Now in their wisdom they found me guilty under clause 24.1.5 i then informed the CEO i would be appealing the 12 months suspension of my membership. Don't let them grizzle about cost and of the appeal i warned them it would cost heaps the only two directors that showed any common sense re the whole matter is the two that Holland has bagged he talks about waste I believe most directors spend about $25,000 a year going to AGRA (now the two that he bags don't go ,they are t the only two that don't go! the rest treat it as a free holiday that we pay for .IF i had my way that money would go to prize money.That's why under the present structure the GBOTA have no future, wake up members its time for change sorry but this must happen or the free Bees will continue at your expense !


I was at all the meetings that Bob has stated and to this day I havent and wont step foot into another meeting in support of Bob. Its a farce




Robert Whitelaw
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jeff holland wrote:

Really Bob, the request I got was for information which the GBOTA already had, was on the public record, or available from ASIC.

Beyond that any issues are for the Bulli management committee, as once advised of concerns, its their responsibility to follow up.

You know Bob, asking me who was on the Bulli committee when the GBOTA took over the race dates, when the person asking was a director at the time, to the best of my knowledge sat on the joint management committee, and should have done the due diligence is an odd question.

As to the rest of your claims, I keep e-mails, and what you claim wasnt asked.


Like i said they are still waiting for you to come forward ? Do you or don't you agree that their should be a forensic audit conducted ?


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I agree with you Robert one hundred percent lets get to the truth if they have nothing to hide they should do it.


Robert Whitelaw
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john staines wrote:

I agree with you Robert one hundred percent lets get to the truth if they have nothing to hide they should do it.

John
One could say he was GAGGED ! LOL



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john staines wrote:

in my opinion most of the gbota members like to sit back and let the same few people take the ball up so to speak which in my opinion wont help there cause one little bit its the same with some of the directors there scared if they stand up to the head honcho's they might loose there jacket they so dearly love take there jacket away it would be like cutting off one of there arms until everyone stands on there own to feet we will be walked over all the time.

" let the same few people take the ball up "

John...that's how it is in 99% of any organisation...footy clubs, country race tracks, school canteens ANY where, where 'voluntary' work is carried out...the same old faces turn up and the same old faces do the work WITHOUT a whine...

Greyhound Breeders, Owners & Trainers SHOULD be represented to fight 'their' issues that arise from branch meetings...BUT...It will only be done by...' the same few people taking the ball up'...


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I was a branch delegate for the GBOTA, there were always plenty of issues taken to the monthly delegates meeting at the Social Club by the various branch delegates, Mirror Bill and his cronies listened to the issues raised and delivered nothing, these meetings were a complete waste of time.



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Mark Staines wrote:

I was a branch delegate for the GBOTA, there were always plenty of issues taken to the monthly delegates meeting at the Social Club by the various branch delegates, Mirror Bill and his cronies listened to the issues raised and delivered nothing, these meetings were a complete waste of time.

I agree Mark. I was Treasurer of the Metropolitan District Association (MDA) and the whole thing at the monthly meeting was a waste of time.I gave the GBOTA the flick four or five years ago. In saying that I think there is still a place for the MDA deligates meetings but things have to change.



Jeff Holland
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robert whitelaw wrote:

jeff holland wrote:

Really Bob, the request I got was for information which the GBOTA already had, was on the public record, or available from ASIC.

Beyond that any issues are for the Bulli management committee, as once advised of concerns, its their responsibility to follow up.

You know Bob, asking me who was on the Bulli committee when the GBOTA took over the race dates, when the person asking was a director at the time, to the best of my knowledge sat on the joint management committee, and should have done the due diligence is an odd question.

As to the rest of your claims, I keep e-mails, and what you claim wasnt asked.


Like i said they are still waiting for you to come forward ? Do you or don't you agree that their should be a forensic audit conducted ?

Bob, I dont agree, i think there needs to be some competent directors elected in the city, ones who at least know the code of conduct, manage the clubs well so that we dont need to keep having these 'forensic audits', and have enough commonsense to know that its a waste of time asking someone else to do the job they should have done.





Grant Thomas
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Lance Day wrote:

Mark Staines wrote:

I was a branch delegate for the GBOTA, there were always plenty of issues taken to the monthly delegates meeting at the Social Club by the various branch delegates, Mirror Bill and his cronies listened to the issues raised and delivered nothing, these meetings were a complete waste of time.

I agree Mark. I was Treasurer of the Metropolitan District Association (MDA) and the whole thing at the monthly meeting was a waste of time.I gave the GBOTA the flick four or five years ago. In saying that I think there is still a place for the MDA deligates meetings but things have to change.

Mark & Lance...notice my should was in CAPITALS...I was saying they SHOULD be represented...I didn't say the board would listen...

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