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If you need help or advice about a dog you are retiring then this is the place for you.

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Simon Moore
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05 Oct 2015 01:53


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kevin wright wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Charles if as that document Steven posted quotes wastage anywhere near that high then it needs to come down - lets not split hairs.

We had a well known large breeder claim over 90% of his pups make the track, and that's terrific.

If the PTB can prove that breeders numbers are correct then other large breeders(those who breed more than 2 litters every 3 yrs) in general need to make an effort to achieve a much better strike rate as distinct from breeding hoping to achieve btb stats - that's all I'm saying, and what I've always said.

The problem with those breeders that do that, is they may achieve multiple times less than btb CW stats as the breeders who create those stats actually know what they are doing from a pedigree & rearing perspective, that's why they are successful. Where as the others don't and therefore their wastage is prob high, yet they incorrectly and poss even unknowingly place their faith in achieving those btb CW stats .

The 'breeding is a nos game' mentality has to change for these large breeders, if the greyhound industry is to move fwd, that's just my opinion.

If a handful of people can do it then so can others, they just need to find a way. They need to make an effort to improve their breeding knowledge and until they do, need to be put on some incentive scheme. I'm not advocating they be kicked/forced out. There will be a way for everyone to enjoy this gr8 sport.

Remember according to that document it's not the person who breeds 1/2 litters every 3 yrs(80%) as I was previously led to believe , that's creating the wastage, whatever that accurate fig is.

Please don't take this the wrong way but we do need a program aimed at rearing farms and what % of winners come from their farms .

Simply put every greyhound must be registered at that farm so a full trace history can be calculated over say a 2 3 4 year term if if those greyhounds reared on so and so's farm have not got a good strike rate of greyhounds to race then that farm should be limited on how many dogs they can rear in the future for the industry and only once they get to a reasonable figure of % per reared per raced then they then should be allowed more dogs to rear for outside customers .

I don't think so.

if these people rehome their dogs like the rest of people then u don't need things like this imo.



Ryan Vanderwert
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05 Oct 2015 02:06


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you may well have a point there too Kevin.

it's gr8 that people can already see ways of improving the figs in the report but I'm not in favour of shipping anyone out, most are in the industry cos they love it - it certainly cant be for the money............they just have to tweak their thinking a little.

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Jamie but isn't he saying less than 10% of his don't make the track including rearing mishaps/injury ?

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Simon totally agree with what you are saying.

People shld be allowed to breed with whichever bitch they wanted if they are breeding 1/2 litters every 3 yrs as they aren't the major cause of the wastage problem.

Perhaps if the PTB were to conduct a review every 3 yrs or breeders apply to have their matings increased due to better track performance of pups they've bred, and if their stats have dropped below a set benchmark, a review be conducted by the ptb to ascertain reasons why.



Jack Gatty
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05 Oct 2015 02:21


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No one wants to see dogs of any breed over Bred and put down that goes for horses, cats, canaries and budgeriegahs - but the greyhound industry is being held to account, singled out and vilified when the truth of the matter is we probably have a very small amount of animals lost compared to the general public backyards, RSPCA, dog show breeders, horse codes etc etc but we're being targeted - it's very unfair and a media fed frenzy is sensationalising the truth.


James Saunders
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05 Oct 2015 03:13


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First you get a whelping notice than next time they hear from you is naming time.Theres 5 pups born only two named well perhaps they were slow and PTS but more than likely injured and couldn't race or rehomed.The problem with all of these figures is no one really knows even close what the figures pre and post racing are.


Sean O'Donnell
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05 Oct 2015 07:12


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james saunders wrote:

The problem with all of these figures is no one really knows even close what the figures pre and post racing are.

That's what I said on the project but they edited it out!



Jack Gatty
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05 Oct 2015 07:30


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Sean if you or anyone else talks to the media it would be worthwhile getting a friend to film and record the interviews on a mobile phone so if it is cut or used out of Context you can out them for misleading and false reporting.

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