Bruce, it's Tornado Tears time again tonight, race 3 box 8 at Sandown. Quoted at $1.60 to win.

Now, before the race...

Using your vast expertise, can you tell your large number of followers, what price it should be, and where you expect it to finish?

You are not a beginner so I cant send you my book.

Tipping is off topic so I would be risking arrest to tell you the answer.

Luckily, I seem to recall some previous comments I offered.

2 failures in a row - be wary.
3 or more failures in a row - stay out.
TT has had 5 in a row.

In its last race I suggested backing it was out of the question and that it should have been $3 or $4. And that sorting out the other 7 was impossible. Repeat, repeat.

It's a damn shame the dog was not retired when it first started messing around but that's life. What is happening now is ruining its chances of moving into the Hall of Fame. That's a great pity for such a talented dog.

If you give me 5 to 1 for TT .can i have a $150 on it

It will romp in tonight

What a fantastic finish to a 715m race tonight.
A 3 way bob on the line 0.07 seperating them.
I havent even looked at the clock and I do not care at all.

Well done Kev, didn't romp in but a nice return of $750 for you mate.

This boy will kill it at Stud ..Well done to connections

Just to balance the record .......

My advice turned out to be spot on. TT scrambled home in a time 23 lengths outside the record (42.10), and beating two others by a head and a head. TT has run 41.30 previously at Sandown.

All other heat winners plus five non-winners - a total of 8 dogs - ran better time than TT - ie 4 to 7 lengths better.

$3 to $4 still sounds about right. Anyone who took the $2.10 on the Tote is looking for a quick way to the poorhouse. The dog ain't right.

And I know you are spot on. You're always spot on. Even when you are wrong, you're still spot on. Even if TT wins the final, you'll still be spot on.
That's why we love you so much.
And anyone who doesn't love you is unintelligent, uneducated, and full of unwarranted personal abuse.

As for yesterday's 2 track records that fell, Hooked On Scotch at Sandown and Fernando Blaster at Casino, what are your spot on thoughts about those great efforts Bruce? Particularly Fernando Blaster who has 2 track records in 3 weeks.

"As for yesterday's 2 track records that fell, Hooked On Scotch at Sandown and Fernando Blaster at Casino, what are your spot on thoughts about those great efforts Bruce? Particularly Fernando Blaster who has 2 track records in 3 weeks."

Both brilliant.

As for the final, I think Thompson may be a little optimistic when he notes Scotch might come out a bit faster than in the heat. He ran 5.11 but that was mostly due to a fast run to the judge rather than a good jump. On average he will not improve on that time which means the box will be all-important. Finals always include more quick beginners.

The Blaster jumped clear at Casino so it was a lay down misere after that. Must have a good trainer. Otherwise, it's a leader's track and a railer's track, neither of which is ideal.

The next time I see an ad for a sire which fails to include times I will let you know. They don't pay on "feel" or "exciting".

Times and track records are a great selling point for a sire. Doesn't make them a great sire though. Maybe that is a big issue with the recently perceived breeding strength in Australian dogs, we are too caught up in times.
My next choice of sire is a beast of a dog, horrible beginner but great intelligence in a field and strong finisher. Won 2 top class races coming from last. I have no idea what times he ran.
My last sire choice was the same. I just watched his races but have no idea of times.

Blaster has a good trainer but I dont think beating the track record was a lay down misere. Winning the race was, yes.

tt ran 42.10 yeah?

r u sure that's 23 lengths bruce?

i know u r NEVER wrong but i think there is an error there.

If you are talking about how to win a race, different factors come into play. Chalk and cheese.

Each sector of this industry will approach a subject from a different perspective. You know mine and it is of no value to me whether it is bred better than the next dog. I want to know what it has done, not what its dad did.

For example, I can say that when backing a dog you will find that its price will be worse if (a) it has a top trainer or (b) the Watchdog tips it or (c) it is favourite. (But I am getting off topic).

Re "Blaster has a good trainer but I dont think beating the track record was a lay down misere." That's not what I said - read again.

Bruce, we would be lost without you.

Your huge fan club deserves to know your assessment of TTs price, and chance of winning the final,on friday night.

Ian, I believe you but thousands wouldn't.

I really don't see why the pressure should be on me to set price lists - what about others having a go?

In any event, I have already done everything but publish a number. Having said that, I note TABCORP has put it up at $6.50 and who am I to argue, especially if it has a middle box?

I raised the TT situation partly because this thread is about the general deterioration of both 500m and staying performances - with a nod to the dubious nature of 7-day back-ups - and partly because I am sick of reading about this "champion" stayer in publicity from GRV writers and the Watchdog. I will buy "former champion" but no more. In fact, those Vic authorities do the sport no credit when they are seriously misleading the public.

Still, everyone but Jamie will have noted that TT goes into the final with all other dogs having run quicker or equal times in the heats. My tip remains as it was before the heats - stay out.

PS: I understand they are drawing the boxes as we speak but I am not watching the CH7 program as the cheapies declined to put up sub-titles and my hearing is not up to it. (To the bloke who objected to that I remind him and others that you can switch it on or off).

Bruce can i have my $750 all up Scotch and Blue Moon ..

Bruce please if you have time we would all love to hear how you see both racers panning out and what Odds would you give each runner ..
It would be wonderful to see your opinion .....

PS
I know all the Members here would love to see your expert form analysis Bruce

You are both off topic - incredibly boring - and the questions have already been answered.

When the inevitable request from the mug arrived at the TAB - "Any tips mate?" - I tell them "Yes, but it will cost you $10 a time". That usually ended the conversation. You can donate the fee to Tony's favourite charity.

Ok bruce lets see how many winners you can pick on Friday night .
From the list below ..
If you can pick half of the winners i will donate $100 to your fav Charity Brucey ...

Event Name: Cup Night Sprint - Group Listed 515
Distance: 515m
Race Type: Group Listed
First Prize: $25000.00

Event Name: Melbourne Cup - S/E Group 1 515 Final (Visit sandowngreyhounds.com.au for full terms and conditions)
Distance: 515m
Race Type: S/E Group 1
First Prize: $435000.00

Event Name: Bold Trease - S/E Group 1 715 Final
Distance: 715m
Race Type: S/E Group 1
First Prize: $100000.00

Event Name: Super VICGREYS Series - Restricted Win 515 Final (1-4 Wins)(Vic Bred Only)(VICGREYS)
Distance: 515m
Race Type: Restricted Win Final
First Prize: $10000.00

Event Name: Sir John Dillon Memorial - S/E Group 3 595
Distance: 595m
Race Type: S/E Group 3
First Prize: $25000.00

Event Name: Cup Night Stayers - Special Event 715
Distance: 715m
Race Type: Special Event
First Prize: $15000.00

Event Name: GRV VIC BRED Series - Maiden 515 Final (Vic Bred Only)
Distance: 515m
Race Type: Maiden Final
First Prize: $15000.00

Event Name: Ready 2 Race Championship - Special Event 515 (Top 8 Greyhounds With Highest Prizemoney Since 2018 Auction)
Distance: 515m
Race Type: Special Event
First Prize: $12000.00

Event Name: Provincial Plate - S/E 515 Final (Maidens Ineligible)(Vic Bred Only)(No City Wins)(Final SAN 29/11)(VICGREYS)
Distance: 515m
Race Type: S/E Final
First Prize: $25000.00

PS
Bruce you think im boring ....thats hurt my feelings