you are right

Once again, you persist to skewing quotes to your liking. I was actually complimentary about Eberand if you read more carefully. Nevertheless it was the conflict of interest that initiated the kerfuffle in the first place and prompted him to resign. His action, not mine. The correction came much later following a normal investigation.

And you are still on about this punting nonsense. Why not give up when you know nothing about the subject? Funnily enough your words are correct - I cannot win any longer for three reasons I have announced in some detail previously - crook tracks, crook fields and hopeless pool sizes, to say nothing about corporate rip-offs. Only a fool would continue in that context. It is plain as a pikestaff that most serious dog punters have given it up, too. Have you actually investigated the patterns, context and trends of today's betting climate?

As for "logical discussion" - where? All I am reading is abuse and a total lack of supportable evidence - although Ryan has put up his views, albeit incomplete. Others don't even do that. Try reading through the whole file again.

people go on and on about his continued rubbish but they keep replying to him and wonder why.

its not rocket science, pmsl.

We open up a betting account and open up a thread called - "TORNADO'S SWEAR TIN"

Anyone guilty of responding or addressing Tornado has to put $10 into the kitty.

Each month we invest the money on the stayers races where they back up after 7 days.

If TT races at Sandown, we load up...

Lol.

And then you gave him a backhander....so you hand out the compliments with one hand and then slap him with the other, as if he actually did anything wrong to earn the treatment he got

I bet you have never even spoken to him but you sit in judgement of him like you do....from your little hole in the world

You should be ashamed of yourself

He was one of the best greyhound participantss who could have ever been elected to the Board of GRNSW

21 Dec - After the 20 Dec Cup Heats
In practice, TT jumped well enough in the Cup heat but showed no pace at all and therefore ran into scrimmages at the first turn (which can be very tight and messy). Thereafter it managed to plod into 4th place in an overall time of 37.57, which is fairly common for 5th grade events. Later, its conqueror at Geelong, Blazing Cartier, just failed to catch the flying Waging War but still recorded a smart 37.03 on its own and will take the kennel into the final.

Nothing too surprising here, other than it suggests few older dogs can maintain or repeat their earlier form over the longer trips. The only thing justifying TTs short price (SP $2.70) was emotion. Even a two week break did not help, although Blazing Cartier probably benefitted.

Trivia: Of the 30 heat starters, eight were by Barcia Bale, six by other Wheeler sires, and five by Kinloch Brae.

Future: Next time the Sale track gets some attention, it is not only the 520m start that warrants a fix but also the nearby (first) turn for 650m racers. Much too sharp!

Applause: Good on the Ballarat club for organising a 660m series which allows candidates to choose between a variety of Prelude dates to qualify for the final. That helps avoid the 7-day backup issues.

Our society is losing the ability to think rationally
12:00AM December 20, 2019

It was encouraging to see your editorial (Media panic on climate, bushfires and a vacation, 19/12). Most of our societys organisations and citizens are as bad as the media. Western societies are losing their critical thinking skills. Logic and facts used in arguments are being abandoned.

Lazily, we are adopting emotional and irrational arguments based on myths, fiction, or factoids. We no longer have open and inquiring minds and a desire to politely engage with those who hold different views.

On hearing a different view today, we react in two ways. To preserve our rational arguments, we retreat to an echo chamber with like-minded people. There our irrationality can be reinforced. When we are not in our echo chamber, we attack the messenger not his ideas.

Sandro,

You have completely missed the point. As Eberand himself recognised, it is the principle that must be dominant. The conflict of interest issue demands that a director must pull out of discussions which involve a subject in which the director is personally concerned.

I am struggling to think of a single agenda item which would NOT overlap Eberand's fields of owning and training. Is there one? If so, it would be pretty obscure.

In fact, the tenor of the entire selection and appointment process calls for candidates to be independent of current activities - although not past activities. That is government policy, and correctly so. I agree with it.

Personalities have got nothing to do with it.

Incidentally, there was no such thing as "the treatment he got", whatever that means. Eberand himself initiated all the action, first by resigning and then by disproving the charges against him. In the end, justice was not only achieved but "was seen to be done".

PS: Of some 6,000 or so trainers in this country I have met only a few. Most I would not know from a bar of soap.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

If you did, you would know where I was coming from.

Just leave it at that before you dig a bigger hole for yourself

Probably has some relevance except when you are dealing with an obsessive, compulsive, and dangerously arrogant narcissist.

Re "You have no idea what you are talking about.
If you did, you would know where I was coming from.
Just leave it at that before you dig a bigger hole for yourself".

I offered a reasonable reply to your criticism of the Eberand matter. I included specific reasons which are well accepted in government and business worlds in general as well as in board appointment policies in greyhound racing.

Consequently, I have no idea what you are talking about or where you are coming from.

Incidentally, while I have not had a personal conversation with him, I did listen intently to Eberand's address to the NSW Parliamentary Inquiry. He made a good case.

Meantime, it would help if people here discussed the stayers' questions. A couple have, but most just throw rocks and decline to offer evidence or reasons. That achieves zero.

EXTERNAL LINK

As I said, you don't know what you are talking about in this case

And even less about stayers

Discussing anything with you achieves zero

Can we leave it there now?

But probably much longer than the poorly planned effort to revitalise Cessnock.

I heard from a reliable source what had happened to It and IMO it is one of the best, if not the best track in Australia to race your dog. You can waste everyones time with your thoughts on other things involving the running and viewing of races there, because Greyhound Racing in NSW is contracting so the authority is not likely to open a new track.

We should meet one day and share information on why you failed. It might get you out of your apartment and away from your keyboard for just a little while, but you cant smoke in my presence.

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09 Feb 2018 02:03

As a result of abandoned meetings and problems with racing in the Hunter Region e.g. Gosford and The Gardens, I hereby initiate a petition for the return of racing at the best one turn grass track in Australia, Cessnock. Even this weekend, one of the Region's meetings has been sent to Richmond instead of swapping over the dates between Gosford and Maitland.
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A simple Yes or No if you agree or disagree.
No discussion required or warranted. Discussions may be culled.
The results will be mentioned and endorsed at the Greyhound Branch of the Shooters Fishers and Farmers Party Meeting held on 24 February 2018, 12 midday at Wyong RSL.

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Pawnote: The Cessnock's protests and legal appeals at its de-licensing ended up costing the industry $500k when the club could not pay its legal bills and other costs and so dumped them on GRA. So far as I am aware, that cash has never been repaid.

Amongst many things, Ive voiced my concerns about MNC not having TAB status and it was promised about three years ago. I didnt campaign for it. It might just eventuate when Grafton goes into recess for construction, albeit 9 meetings to start with.