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I understand that the IGB have now finished setting up their Welfare Committee - anyone got any idea who is on it and what their roles are, and who are the 2 trainers that have been appointed to go on it?
I am told that Mary Jane of Orchard Greyhounds is the Rescue Rep and some man from Kerry, Murt...something is one of the owners and trainers. No idea what the agenda is though. Gabriel may find out more.
Gina Hetherington PA Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1236 Dogs 563 / Races 0 05 Aug 2009 06:36
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I should have some news for you on this Carol, after the Greyhound Forum meeting tomorrow.
Any update on the committee for us Gina pretty please :o)
Gina Hetherington PA Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1236 Dogs 563 / Races 0 07 Aug 2009 18:56
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Barry Coleman-IGB DJ Histon-ICC Michael Falvey- IGB Bernard Barry- Bookmaker Graham Holland- Trainer Mort Cronin GOBA Cork Steve Kenedy GOBA Kerry MJ Fox Orchard Greyhounds
I may be missing someone ??
I have to add, Mary Jane's presentation was excellent.
Orchard Greyhound Sa Ireland (Verified User) Posts 434 Dogs 15 / Races 0 08 Aug 2009 11:15
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Thanks Gina. Nice of you to comment.
Hannah - This was exactly the main point of my presentation and discussion with the others. We discussed a number of ways to address the above problem, and the next meeting will be taking a particular route a step further. However, this was in fact only the very first meeting we had, so there were a range of things to sort out, such as a mission statement, etc.
Since Barry Coleman is heading this up, he would be the best person to go to for specifics.
Are we going to be led down the garden path yet again?
It seems that the IGB have not and never had any intention of pursuing Cruelty Cases or Abandonment Cases.
I have been told in the past to keep quiet about these cases while they were being dealth with.
One paparticular case of ababandonment came to nothing more than the owner being fined money for non transfer of ownership and not Abandonment as was 1st promised and this case was supposed to be published on the front page of the Sporting Press as the owner was to be used as an example to other Greyhound people.
So I am not too impressed by all this.
Another thing that comes to mind is,
Are these meetings going to be top secret or can anybody go to them and will any of us in rescue know what is being said and who exactly is supposed to be representing us as rescues!
Orchard Greyhound Sa Ireland (Verified User) Posts 434 Dogs 15 / Races 0 08 Aug 2009 15:46
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Hannah - There has so far been only one introductory meeting of the Welfare Committee.
Perhaps it would be worth considering that one of the reasons it was formed was so that such cases might be pursued better than they had been in the past. Perhaps you are not the only adoption person in Ireland with such concerns.
If you are not impressed by this, that's fine - we have only had one meeting. I doubt one meeting could impress anyone.
I think the other questions you raise here have already been raised for you at the IGF in Dublin last Thursday by Miriam.
It would be best if you put these and similar questions directly to the person who headed up the meeting at the IGF - Barry Coleman - rather than asking on a discussion forum, or askng other people to ask for you at other meetings.
If you are wondering about who I am representing, I am representing the greyhounds.
I dont know where you are coming from, as you seem to be reading my post wrong.
I never asked or made a comment about whom you are representing, as I know you have the Greyhounds in your heart like us all.
ANVIL did put forward questions for me as well as another rescue at the meeting but that was because we had no invite and ANVIL does represent a lot of rescues and that is the reason behind those questions asked on behalf of me by another person.
You know me well enough MJ to know that if I want to say something I will:)
I see nothing wrong with asking a few questions about the welfare of greyhounds on a greyhound discussion forum.
and by the way I was not referring to the new committee *I am talking about past experience*
Michael O'Keeffe Ireland (Verified User) Posts 219 Dogs 0 / Races 0 11 Aug 2009 14:48
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hannah.i would like to know who picks the welfare committee seems to me that igb have their click in their.not so long ago the former chairman g.o.b.f spoke out about drugs in greyhounds the i,g,b took out a page in greyhound weekley and sporting press trying to put him down but they had no joy .des cowan has to much repect in greyhounds in dublin not even the g.o.b.f committee gave their chairman no support but then as we all no now they had their own agenda so if you speak out even if you are right in what you are saying the click will do what they can to put down. not all of the new committee are part of the click.they are in for the welfare of greyhound. when do we see the greyhounds wefare accounts .greyhound welfare is so inportent us greyhound people should not be afraid to speak out.
Gina Hetherington PA Ireland (Verified User) Posts 1236 Dogs 563 / Races 0 11 Aug 2009 17:26
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The question of RGT accounts was asked at the forum meeting and to my understanding, It was said that the RGT was a charity, seperate from the IGB, so charity laws applied ?
Michael O'Keeffe Ireland (Verified User) Posts 219 Dogs 0 / Races 0 12 Aug 2009 09:42
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if it is seperate from igb why do they control greyhound welfare who looks after accounts.if it is charity why do igb pick committee i have copy of 2005.accounts.it says management accounts to 31st december 2005 no name who did accounts some body had to sign them at meeting of retired greyhound trust meeting. so i think we greyhound people should be more informed
Hi MJ maybe next time you have a meet, you could bring up the resigration of greyhounds. This is a very big problem in my experience. A trainer or owner can take a greyhound along for a trial - a person can offer to buy said greyhound, and it exchanges hands with the Change of Ownership Form which is 1 piece of paper. There is no obligation for the previous owner to inform the IGB of the whereabouts of the greyhound, so in many cases the greyhound just falls off the face of the earth unless it turns up abdoned as you readily know. At least in the UK the system is different, but not fool proof. The UK form can be printed off from the GBGB web site, I gave Barry Coleman a form when I had the fist abdoned greyhound in my kennels, Gina also has one. Also from what I am told the IGB has no jurisdiction to take action against cruelty cases, is this true, and if so what is to be done?
Carole, there has been a section at the bottom of the transfer form for a while now. You fill in the details of the new owner, cut it off and send it to the ICC yourself. Of course that doesn't cover all eventualities, but it's difficult to see how you could. Even in countries where registration of dogs (required by law to be identified) was obligatory there is always a dependence on the new owner to complete the change of ownership.
Orchard Greyhound Sa Ireland (Verified User) Posts 434 Dogs 15 / Races 0 15 Aug 2009 19:58
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This was discussed in great detail, more than one could expect for a 1st meeting. Transfer of ownership procedure has to change. Exactly how to do that was and will be under discussion, but everyone agreed this was necessary.
The IGB can penalize registered owners for cruelty, but to my knowledge I don't know how the law would work regarding cruelty cases. Those sorts of things are usually pursued by the ISPCA.
The two most used words at the meeting were "accountability" and "responsibility".
The simple fact is this: if a greyhound registered to Joe Soap causes a car accident and people are killed, and even though Joe gave it away 6 months ago but that dog is still registered to Joe Soap.....guess who's responsible?
But my main concern is mainly cruelty and neglect cases. Some strong measures were discussed for owners and trainers whose greyhounds end up in rescues and cost the RGT money. What was discussed was that as long as they are still the registered owners, measures will be taken against them.
However, we have only had the one meeting. I would call it a good start.
Personally to my knowledge the IGB have never taken a case against a registered owner for cruelty!
And Joe Soap can take anybody to court for cruelty to a animal, Cottage Rescue are not in any way connected to the ISPCA and we deal with our own cruelty cases.
We get some money towards the Greyhounds in our care but never enough to cover the dogs we take in and I have never once received extra money towards any abandoned, neglected or cruelty cases from the IGB and neither has another rescue I am friendly with.
There was nothing done about the Greyhound that was found in Cashel in a horrific state with bad injuries including being hit on the head with a hammer (which is a way of killing a Greyhound) and this I might add was confirmed by a person from the IGB that saw the dog here and I told to keep quiet about him also. Next time I will go public with any cruelty case I get in.
Having said the above and other posts I feel I have to add MJ that I am not nagging at you and you should not take what I say SO personally............
I have heard these words so many times "accountability and responsibility" and hopefully in the very near future they will actually mean something other than words.
HOW MANY GREYHOUNDS ARE FINDING NEW HOMES AND I SEE ONE MEETING OF WELFARE COMMETTEE SO FAR. SO 2009 NEARLY OVER. THEY MIGHT GET ONE MORE MEETING IN NOT GOOD ENOUGH
I am told that Mary Jane of Orchard Greyhounds is the Rescue Rep and some man from Kerry, Murt...something is one of the owners and trainers. No idea what the agenda is though. Gabriel may find out more.
Slight correction there Gina.... Seems to have been some-what if a mix up....
Mary Jane of Orchard Greyhounds is the Rescue Rep of her own rescue and does not represent us other rescues that work with Greyhounds.
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