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Claire Mullane
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john mc kay wrote:

Carole Shinkwin wrote:

This is what happens when greyhounds are sold to the Spanish.

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carole this is totally disgusting but there is a group of lads from barcelona involved in racing over here and this would make them sick so lets no think all spanish are like this like gina says it happens here aswell....

I too was shocked to see Carole`s "link"
However, I agree with John that it is important not to class all the Spanish with the people who have mistreated these poor dogs.
I have had contact with one of these gentlemen who race over here and I cannot imagine him being anything but disgusted over this.
My contact came about when I was trying to find out about a dog I bred which, according to GD, was now in Spain. I sold him to a trainer (an Englishman) in Ireland and he obviously sold him on.
My fears were allayed somewhat by hearing that greyhounds were now bought to race over a straight course by enthusiasts for much larger sums than the giveaway prices previously paid at the sales to supply the now defunct stadiums.
I hope my dog is ok and will be well treated on his retirement but have no way of finding out.


Claire Mullane
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:

Hi John no I do not condemn all spanish there are those who have rescue centres in spain and help these poor creatures. In the first place the ones to blame are those who let their greyhounds be sold to spain, knowing full well what kind of life that awaits them. I did not get an answer to my questions does anyone know how they get to spain, do they have their passports, their rabies jabs etc and if so who gets these done????

Carole, anyone can get a rabies vac/microchip/frontline for their dog and then apply for a pet passport. Hundreds of pet owners do it.
Some years ago it came to my notice that the very nice gentleman living in Oxfordshire who had booked a Borzoi puppy bitch from me on the phone to replace his previous girl who had sadly died was in fact a "dealer" who had already arranged her sale in Japan.
Obviously when he rang to arrange to collect her, he was told in no uncertain terms that she was no longer for sale to him and why.
Things may have changed now but then almost no one would sell to that country.
Later I received enough written "evidence" to notify the weekly paper, Dog World, which printed the story on the front page under the heading "UK Borzoi offered for sale in Japan" as a warning to anyone else. The man was named in the article and during the next weeks a great many people wrote in to say they had sold him a puppy believing it to be for a family pet. This went back over many years and though it stopped him for then I expect he carried on with a name change.
I could not understand how the dogs were re registered in Japan (a requirement for showing there) without an export pedigree being issued by the UK Kennel Club, which would always appear in the monthly Kennel Gazette and would alert people.
Then I realised the puppies were re registered with the Irish KC, no export pedigree needed, and from there an export pedigree issued for Japan.
I tried to ask people on the Irish KC stand at Crufts how this could be allowed to happen, when it was obvious that the same man was exporting masses of English bred puppies through their system but suddenly no one would speak to me!!
Sorry this is very long (it is the short version I promise) but it goes to show what lengths some bastards will go to in order to get what they want.



Wayne Larson
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14 Sep 2010 18:51


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It's pretty clear from all of the previous comments and the news that abuse of dogs is not confined to any single breed - any single country - any single sport. If there are Spaniards who abuse galgos and greyhounds, there are Americans who run puppy mills to make as much money as possible from selling desirable breeds, and some conduct fatal dogfights with pit bulls. There are Irish backyard breeders who mate greyhounds in hopes of racing returns, yet shirk their responsibility for decent care for dogs unfit or no longer fit for the track. There are English who try to deal with their excess dog problem on the cheap, paying a few pounds to someone willing to do away with dogs by putting a bolt gun to their brains. Not all people of a country are bad. But in some countries there still exists barbaric behavior toward innocent creatures, some of it still considered culturally acceptable.

What to do? Work toward eliminating animal cruelty in whatever form, wherever it happens. Support humane sporting standards and the humane treatment of the animal participants and those not fit to participate. It's not too much to ask, and perhaps it's common ground on which we all can stand.



Di Hilsley
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14 Sep 2010 21:12


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Wayne Larson wrote:

It's pretty clear from all of the previous comments and the news that abuse of dogs is not confined to any single breed - any single country - any single sport. If there are Spaniards who abuse galgos and greyhounds, there are Americans who run puppy mills to make as much money as possible from selling desirable breeds, and some conduct fatal dogfights with pit bulls. There are Irish backyard breeders who mate greyhounds in hopes of racing returns, yet shirk their responsibility for decent care for dogs unfit or no longer fit for the track. There are English who try to deal with their excess dog problem on the cheap, paying a few pounds to someone willing to do away with dogs by putting a bolt gun to their brains. Not all people of a country are bad. But in some countries there still exists barbaric behavior toward innocent creatures, some of it still considered culturally acceptable.

What to do? Work toward eliminating animal cruelty in whatever form, wherever it happens. Support humane sporting standards and the humane treatment of the animal participants and those not fit to participate. It's not too much to ask, and perhaps it's common ground on which we all can stand.

You are right Wayne
There are too many breed specific rescue centres and campaigns.
One campaign for all animals to be treated with the respect they deserve is what is needed .


Mark Glennerster
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14 Sep 2010 21:47


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Carol,

I do not believe that dogs going to Continental Europe actually need passports etc., some countries do require a rabies certificate but not all.



Wayne Larson
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15 Sep 2010 05:25


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Di Hilsley wrote:

You are right Wayne
There are too many breed specific rescue centres and campaigns.
One campaign for all animals to be treated with the respect they deserve is what is needed .

Di, breed specific rescue is okay by me. In the case of greyhounds my term of preference is rehoming - not adoption and not rescue - especially because here in the U.S. the rehoming groups have an even better record of saving retired greyhounds than the whole population of homeless dogs in general. But it's the cases of abuse that animals take at the hands of humans that upsets me.

I don't like PETA because they're out on the lunatic fringe most of the time, but your RSPCA and our ASPCA are generally founded on sound principles. Those groups get stuck with a lot of the dirty work that irresponsible people have created.

The dumb things that people do to animals certainly are not limited to dogs. Would you believe, two three-foot-long alligators were pulled out of the North Branch of the Chicago River within the last month, abandoned by owners when they grew too large to be kept as pets. One was discovered just four blocks away from my grandkids' home. Now an alligator is not exactly a lovable beast, but it's cruelty to condemn it to certain death in winter's cold. We're having a beautiful early fall right now, but we're also only two months away from when the temperature starts to drop below freezing. At least these alligators will be transported to the South and released in the wild.


Pete Dawson
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15 Sep 2010 06:43


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mark glennerster wrote:

Carol,

I do not believe that dogs going to Continental Europe actually need passports etc., some countries do require a rabies certificate but not all.

Hi Mark,

I have just sent 2 puppies to a friend of mine in Germany and they do have to have pet passports, that was not the case a few years ago but is now.


Julie Pearson
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24 Sep 2010 16:13


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You cannot export a horse unless it has a value greater than 300 . This is to stop the export of live animals for meat , with the problems thay have had with them being mistreated on the journey .
This doesn't entirely stop the trade but it does give the police a way of making life difficult for those who try to carry it out .
I can never understand why a minimum value cannot be set up for other types of animals to stop the commercial export by agents buying them up cheaply and profiteering from this terrible trade .

There is no reason why the legitimate transporters should not have a movement book detailing the dogs in their care , with details of the owner and the start and finish point of the dogs journey in the way that livestock transporters do . That way they could carry out their perfectly legal business and those who care nothing for the welfare of the animals in their care or where they end up could at least have their activities disrupted .



Monika Then Bergh
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24 Sep 2010 22:30


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Julie, how then find out, how much a rescue is worth in EURos? I don`t think, moneys value is a good option. There have to be rules, what paperwork is needed for export-animals and true control for that.
I have tried to find out the EU-regulations for commercial export of dogs within the EU. Still not sure, what the actual rules are, will let you know, when i have something reliable. There have been obviously exeptions for traders but i am not sure, if they are still working or have gone into pet-travel-scheme. It is a mess of different rules according transportation of living animals, some for all, some for special lifestock, but not all....
The different diseases (lifestock) did theyr part to get additional therms for special species, so i still do not have a reliable text, giving the rules for dogs from ireland to the continent, if they are not pets but commercial transported as racers on theyr way to a track, to breeders, to further dealers....


Julie Pearson
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One of the problems is that there is suppossed to be no restraint of trade between EU countries . Fine when you are dealing with manufactured goods . But when you look at the abuse of all animals that seems to be almost part of the culture in some areas of Spain that system doesn't work for live animals .
How , what is described as a modern country , can turn a blind eye to the systematic torture of defenceless animals is beyound belief .

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