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Jess Keast
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14 Aug 2012 23:15


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Here in Australia most of you may know by now there is a waiting list to your retired or no racing greyhounds in to get adopted. What you may not know is why the long wait.

Well here are some details and information on how you can make the process go faster and help us all :)

For some reason a lot of the people who are keen to adopt greyhounds have cats. I know there is about a 1 year wait for cat friendly greyhounds here in SA. A handy thing to do would be to cat test them yourself. Adoption/rescues have a limited amount of staff and volunteers helping them so if you could pop a muzzle on your fur friend and test with an inside cat and video it that would help so much.

Also, we know most of the dogs have been out in the kennels most of there lives. People who are adopting will be keeping there dogs inside, so house trained is a must. Maybe when you dog is ready to retire or you know they wont make the grade in racing, move them inside. GAP ask for foster carers to keep them for two weeks to get them settled in. Maybe if you let them inside they will only need to be in foster care for a week :)

I do have more tips but I need to go. Please comment and I'll try to answer as much as I can


Tom Welsh
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14 Aug 2012 23:36


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Hi Jess

You mention that most people who adopt want an inside greyhound. I was wondering though, are there problems with people adopting and maintaining a greyhound as an outside dog, providing they are given adequate shelter and presumably rugged in the colder winter months here in Melbourne?

I have friend who may happily take a dog, but an inside dog is out of the question for them.

Cheers



Jess Keast
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14 Aug 2012 23:47


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Tom Welsh wrote:

Hi Jess

You mention that most people who adopt want an inside greyhound. I was wondering though, are there problems with people adopting and maintaining a greyhound as an outside dog, providing they are given adequate shelter and presumably rugged in the colder winter months here in Melbourne?

I have friend who may happily take a dog, but an inside dog is out of the question for them.

Cheers


Ah yes, this has been brought up a lot in the time I have been working with greyhounds. Although greyhounds can cope outside, they do not have enough body fat to keep them warm at night. Having a coat, a Kennel and adequate shelter for them is required if the greyhound will be kept outside. I keep my girls outside during the day but the sleep in the house at night. I think it is better for them to be more involved with the family if they are given the opportunity to go inside. It is up to the owner. I know that a lot of adoption programs do stress that the dog is to be allowed inside. at least at night. Thank you for pointing that out Tom :)


Lotte Orum
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I believe that most racing greyhounds will test "negative" when tested on a cat, but with patience and common sense even the most hard chasing dog can learn to accept the family cat. Washing our cat in the same shampoo as the dogs and drying the cat with towel washed in same washing powder as the dogs towel made the cat smell familiar. Whenever our cat raced through our garden, dogs would chase after it, but as soon as they got close enough to smell it, they instantly lost interest. Unfortunately neighborhoods cats didnt use the same brand, so most of them were buried in our garden :-(



Jess Keast
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Lotte Orum wrote:

I believe that most racing greyhounds will test "negative" when tested on a cat, but with patience and common sense even the most hard chasing dog can learn to accept the family cat. Washing our cat in the same shampoo as the dogs and drying the cat with towel washed in same washing powder as the dogs towel made the cat smell familiar. Whenever our cat raced through our garden, dogs would chase after it, but as soon as they got close enough to smell it, they instantly lost interest. Unfortunately neighborhoods cats didnt use the same brand, so most of them were buried in our garden :-(

Yes This is very true. I bought one of my girls home from a pound not knowing if she was going to eat my cat or not. She tried but with a lot effort and treats. It took us 2 months to get her able to sit next to the cat and even allow the cat to clean her. Outside cats are very different as if they run the greyhound will do what comes and chase. None of my girls raced yet they still have that urge to run and chase. Its just time and effort.

Another issue is foster carers. There is never enough foster carers. I know GAP doesnt let a dog go until they have spent time in foster homes. I guess to build a profile.


Rod Hampton
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15 Aug 2012 01:20


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Points:
1. Only 1 adoption agency listed on this site (goodonya SA!)
2. In NSW THEY DO NOT USE CATS !!
so "cat friendly is a furphy - rabbit friendly, duck friendly, horse friendly ect etc !!??
3. Having the need for "inside" dogs definitly restricts placements - nothing wrong being outside if they've got a secure kennel, warm bed & a good rug in winter



Mark Schlegel
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15 Aug 2012 01:53


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FWIW......greys are nowhere near as "weak" as some of you make out.

I live in Woodend which is one of the coldest parts of the state (think Ballarat climate....but at 700m elevation) and the dogs/pups survive perfectly well outside without coats.

Sure, they get pretty woolly over winter but as long as they have a snug kennel with bedding (they love sawdust/wood shavings) they will cope just fine.

Telling people they "need" to be inside is unnecessary and could be scaring off potential adopters.



Jess Keast
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15 Aug 2012 01:59


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Mark Schlegel wrote:

FWIW......greys are nowhere near as "weak" as some of you make out.

I live in Woodend which is one of the coldest parts of the state (think Ballarat climate....but at 700m elevation) and the dogs/pups survive perfectly well outside without coats.

Sure, they get pretty woolly over winter but as long as they have a snug kennel with bedding (they love sawdust/wood shavings) they will cope just fine.

Telling people they "need" to be inside is unnecessary and could be scaring off potential adopters.

This is great information. My intention is not to "scare off" anyone. I just want to find out the ins and outs of what can be done to get these dogs adopted. The sawdust is a great idea.



Mark Schlegel
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Jess Keast wrote:

Mark Schlegel wrote:

FWIW......greys are nowhere near as "weak" as some of you make out.

I live in Woodend which is one of the coldest parts of the state (think Ballarat climate....but at 700m elevation) and the dogs/pups survive perfectly well outside without coats.

Sure, they get pretty woolly over winter but as long as they have a snug kennel with bedding (they love sawdust/wood shavings) they will cope just fine.

Telling people they "need" to be inside is unnecessary and could be scaring off potential adopters.

This is great information. My intention is not to "scare off" anyone. I just want to find out the ins and outs of what can be done to get these dogs adopted. The sawdust is a great idea.


Don't get me wrong....being inside would be preferred, and a coat will always help....but they're quite capable of surviving outside as long as they have a nice kennel to snuggle up in.


Ann Karamoutzos
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The gist here seems to be that they can 'survive' ouside.

Some groups - GSN in Vic for example will only home greyhounds as inside pets. Yes while they can 'survive' outside, they like to be inside with their humans. If people want 'outside' pets then there are more suitable breeds for them than greyhounds.



Mark Schlegel
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Ann Karamoutzos wrote:

The gist here seems to be that they can 'survive' ouside.

Some groups - GSN in Vic for example will only home greyhounds as inside pets. Yes while they can 'survive' outside, they like to be inside with their humans. If people want 'outside' pets then there are more suitable breeds for them than greyhounds.


How do you think they are reared as pups?

The don't just "survive" outside....they are perfectly happy and healthy. Same as Boxers, Dalmations, Rotties, Dobermans, Staffies and dozens of other short haired breeds. Virtually all breeds would "like to be inside with their humans".

We shouldn't be scaring away potential adopters because of a misconception that they can't handle living in a backyard.

We would be doing the breed a dis-service.


Ann Karamoutzos
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15 Aug 2012 03:37


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When they are reared as pups they are reared with other pups - they are usually not just outside on their own.

Greyhounds are taken into foster care to learn how to to live as inside companion dogs. Once they have had a taste of the good life they do not do well outside on their own.





Jess Keast
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15 Aug 2012 03:37


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Mark Schlegel wrote:

Ann Karamoutzos wrote:

The gist here seems to be that they can 'survive' ouside.

Some groups - GSN in Vic for example will only home greyhounds as inside pets. Yes while they can 'survive' outside, they like to be inside with their humans. If people want 'outside' pets then there are more suitable breeds for them than greyhounds.


How do you think they are reared as pups?

The don't just "survive" outside....they are perfectly happy and healthy. Same as Boxers, Dalmations, Rotties, Dobermans, Staffies and dozens of other short haired breeds. Virtually all breeds would "like to be inside with their humans".

We shouldn't be scaring away potential adopters because of a misconception that they can't handle living in a backyard.

We would be doing the breed a dis-service.

I think if you were wanting a pet greyhound you would have them inside. Lets face it, greyhounds are not gaurd dogs so they wont gaurd your yard. I mean racing greyhounds are working dogs. I know a farmer with a kelpie and the dog isnt allowed inside because she is a working dog. But they have a pet kelpie who comes inside because she doesnt work anymore. Its really each to there own but, if and when I start to help adopt out greyhounds I think Id like it better if they were allowed inside. As I said my girls are outside all day while I work but at night time they come in.




Carole Brown
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I have been thinking for a long time that perhaps the term "couch potato" might not be the right term to describe them, also. A lot of people, myself included, do not let, or like, dogs on the couch, as they have their own beds on the floor, and are quite happy to lie on them. I know it also implies that they don't need much exercise. This is only my opinion, and many others may not agree, but I often wonder if that term may put people off ? What do others think ?


Ann Karamoutzos
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Agree Carole - greyhounds have been marketed for years as couch potatoes when the reality is they do have different activity levels depending on age usually.
But I also think that 'couch potato' has been a very effctive marketing term, as the majority of the general public still think that greyhounds need to be walked / jogged for at least 3 hours a day as they are very active dogs..lol
So the term is hopefully 'teaching' people that they are lazy dogs ie: just like to sleep on the couch all day.



Mark Schlegel
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Jess Keast wrote:

Mark Schlegel wrote:

Ann Karamoutzos wrote:

The gist here seems to be that they can 'survive' ouside.

Some groups - GSN in Vic for example will only home greyhounds as inside pets. Yes while they can 'survive' outside, they like to be inside with their humans. If people want 'outside' pets then there are more suitable breeds for them than greyhounds.


How do you think they are reared as pups?

The don't just "survive" outside....they are perfectly happy and healthy. Same as Boxers, Dalmations, Rotties, Dobermans, Staffies and dozens of other short haired breeds. Virtually all breeds would "like to be inside with their humans".

We shouldn't be scaring away potential adopters because of a misconception that they can't handle living in a backyard.

We would be doing the breed a dis-service.

I think if you were wanting a pet greyhound you would have them inside. Lets face it, greyhounds are not gaurd dogs so they wont gaurd your yard. I mean racing greyhounds are working dogs. I know a farmer with a kelpie and the dog isnt allowed inside because she is a working dog. But they have a pet kelpie who comes inside because she doesnt work anymore. Its really each to there own but, if and when I start to help adopt out greyhounds I think Id like it better if they were allowed inside. As I said my girls are outside all day while I work but at night time they come in.


Not disagreeing with the above.....I am just horrified at the thought that someone wanting to adopt a greyhound and give it a perfectly good home, albeit with an outdoor kennel, would be told they shouldn't (or can't) adopt a greyhound.


Ann Karamoutzos
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Mark Schlegel wrote:

Not disagreeing with the above.....I am just horrified at the thought that someone wanting to adopt a greyhound and give it a perfectly good home, albeit with an outdoor kennel, would be told they shouldn't (or can't) adopt a greyhound.

And that's where the disagreement is - to a lot of rehoming groups it is not a 'perfectly good home" if the dog sleeps outdoors in a kennel.
If however they really do want to adopt a greyhound, there are other places they can adopt from. It is just a matter of policy.


Colleen Margaret Watson
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I can't see any reason why a greyhound couldn't be adopted if it was going to be kept outside. If a warm bed in an undercover area & a warm rug is provided in the winter I can't see the problem. We've kept quiet a few greyhounds as pets over the years & as much as my husband loves all animals he will not let them in the house. The last girl we had used to sleep in the garage with the door left slightly ajar so she could get out if need be. In the summer she preferred to be outside. She was also the best guard dog anyone could wish for. She protected not only our yard but all the close neighbours as well.
I think the adoption programmes make it far to hard for dogs to find a home. Especially with the cat & fluffy dog tolerance thing. There wouldn't be too many keen greyhounds that would pass this test.




Yvonne Harrington
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Isnt the idea of rehoming them to get them a nice forever home where they are part of a family.....not that they "survive" outside on thier own?


Tom Flanagan
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Yvonne Harrington wrote:

Isnt the idea of rehoming them to get them a nice forever home where they are part of a family.....not that they "survive" outside on thier own?

The climate "outside" in Australia is a lot different to outside in the UK and Ireland. Yes they need a warm kennel and a rug, but most dogs of all breeds in Australia, family pets included, live outside and love it (people probably spend more time outside in Australia as well - LOL - so there is no contradiction between being outside and being part of the family). (My retired ones do sleep inside in the winter, but they are just as happy outside in the summer and the environment is more stimulating for them.)

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