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Colleen Margaret Watson
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Thanks David, I'll have a look at that. It sounds like a much better idea for the dogs to go to foster homes for their re-training. By the sounds of things in NSW if the dog isn't perfect in every way it just gets put down in the 1st few days.
By what we see & hear everything in Victoria is much better run than here in NSW. They really need to get their act together.


Anthony Ryan
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This is ridiculous. As I see it, the dogs end up dead which ever way you went. I find the idea of them finding comfort and knowing how loved they were because of your presence at their execution to be the most ludicrous statement. Hello? If you loved them so much you wouldn't be disposing of them. And before you say it, if you knew you couldn't look after them then you shouldn't have taken them on. It's reality that dogs get put down because it's business and that's life. But you don't see other people who do it on here complaining how the system failed them or trying to make out they are good guys and worthy of people's sympathy. You either take responsibility for your dogs, or you don't. And if you don't, then that's something you need to be able to live with. If it makes you feel any better, I'm sure the dogs would have been grateful for the opportunity to go to GAP where at least they had a fighting chance at continuing their lives had they known the alternative was certain death but with a kiss and cuddle. Please....


Colleen Margaret Watson
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02 Feb 2013 05:59


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Anthony, who the hell do you think you are? I don't know you & I wouldn't want to know you. You're probably one of those uncaring people that ill treat their dogs when they're racing & then when you've finished with them palm off them on to someone else so that you don't have to have them put down. Or maybe you're just one of those mongrels that take them out the back & shoot them & dump their bodies in the bush.
Don't you dare tell me I don't love my dogs. Anyone that knows my husband & I will tell you how our dogs are looked after whether they can run or not they all get treated with the same loving care & are kept in spotless kennels. These 3 dogs were bought as race dogs. 2 couldn't run fast enough & the other had an injury. You're saying that if everyone that has greyhounds to race can't keep them when they've finished they shouldn't have them in the 1st place.
I came on here as I wanted to know the statistics for GAP. I thought my dogs would go to another loving home as we weren't able to keep them but I was wrong.
I wasn't looking for sympathy off anyone.



Jan Jones
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02 Feb 2013 06:03


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Settle down Anthony and take a deep breath.


Anthony Ryan
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Actually, I wouldn't take responsibility for a dog that I couldn't guarantee it's welfare after racing, but that's my personal preference and beside the point.

As long as you are comfortable with your decisions that all that matters. Wo cares what I think of you?

But Colleen, it would appear that you are not comfortable with your decisons because you come on here rubbishing a good organization that do their best to help out. It's not gaps fault your dogs are dead. You would have done the same thing anyway. They just gave you another option.

And as for your argument about statistics, well that's irrelevant. Even if the strike rate is 1 in 100, it's better than your alternative of a kiss, a cuddle and a lethal injection.


Colleen Margaret Watson
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02 Feb 2013 22:50


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No Anthony, I'm not comfortable with my decision. What caring person would be comfortable with a decision to have these beautiful animals put down because you didn't have any other choice. It breaks my heart. If GAP won't take them & we can't keep them due to council restrictions could you please tell me what's the other alternative. I could put them out on a farm somewhere to live their lives out. Yes,they would be alive but what quality of life would they have. Stuck in a yard for the rest of their lives.

As a matter of interest just how many dogs have you had & how many are wandering around your yard as pets at present?

I can't see anywhere on here where I have rubbished GAP. I just stated the facts as to what happened with my experience with them. I did say I wouldn't send another dog to them. I'm happy for people whose dogs have found loving homes.

I have no more to say to you Anthony except to say if you tried to upset me with your cruel comments you have certainly succeeded in doing that.





Kevin Wright
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02 Feb 2013 23:32


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Peter Phillips wrote:

Colleen, not that it changes your circumstances, but if a little time is taken to re-educate the dogs prior to them going into GAP it makes it much easier and quicker for GAP to re-home them. We have placed 6 in the last twelve months and 5 have found lovely homes, the 6th had to be returned because of a detached retina, he is asleep on the couch.
June

This is the only way to get them through the GAP these days great post Peter..............One idea for you all to consider is this spend a bit of extra cash and send them to a Boarding Kennel and Cattery for a week for that extra bit to help them get used to Different people and little dogs and cats if you speak to the owners most of them with help you out with this...If anyone is interested in doing this then i can help you out for a cheaper rate than i would charge for Domestic Dogs.


Colleen Margaret Watson
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02 Feb 2013 23:41


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Thanks Kevin. Sounds like a good idea. I wish I had of known about this sooner.



Kevin Wright
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Colleen Margaret Watson wrote:

Thanks Kevin. Sounds like a good idea. I wish I had of known about this sooner.

As long as you have C5 VAC then Boarding Kennels can do this for you if you ask.....I own my own Boarding Kennels 50 min from GAP in Seymour.I can offer a week deal plus the drop off at Seymour.I will handle and show the dogs many times cats and small dogs also they will see people and cars coming and going also my 4 small dogs are always running around the place.NO GUARANTEES but at least we can try to get them through the GAP process.


Liz Breukink
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03 Feb 2013 00:10


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there is a lot of misinformation re gap and what they can and can't do. gap vic does NOT send dogs into foster care with high prey drive. they ones that go into foster care have already been tested. what helps all the dogs, and i now do one at a time, is pre fostering. so bring them in the house, take them for walks where they can see little dogs, basic dog obedience training. you will never get the prey drive out, it is an instinct that is part of the greyhound, but you can lessen the impact. once they work out the difference between a little dog and a duck, they go into a different frame of mind. you can get the dog back if they fail first time around, for just a bit more one on one training. i dont have little dogs in the house, but my gf is a proffesional dog walker and carer, so i do lots of walks with the retired ones. the last one, was a track record holder, full on natural chasing ability. he failed gap the first time, so he came back here for a bit more re training, he passed with flying colours on the 2nd round. gap vic doesnot charge twice, only once and you ccan put them back in for a second round. ring gap nsw and talk trhu these issues that you have with them and see what they suggest. for any dogs that do not make it, or if you want to do private rehoming, there is a website every greyhound ( egreyhound.com.au - website is down at the moment, they are also on fb) but you can place your dog on this website, free of charge. Be VERY AWARE of one thing, do NOT give a dog away for free. get home checks, etc, and before handing the dog over, get the dog desexed and vaccinated as a minimum, and get the new owners to pay for the desexing.vacc cost. also offer to help out if things don't quiet work out and they need to surrender the dog. the last thing you want to have happening is them ending on death row at a pound. also, undesexed greys can end up in unscrupulous homes, like hunters, etc and interbred with other dogs for purposes that would make your hair stand on end. the people that run the egrey website would be more than happy to help you with any queries as well. in victoria, there is greyhound safety net, as an alternative to gap. W.A. has the greyhound angels of w.a. as an alternative. there are other groups that rescue as well, but you may need to be aware that a lot of these are anti racing, and personally i am not comfortable handing a dog over to any of these groups. however, if this doesn not bother you, do check their track record, how long have they been doing this as there are rescues out there, that should not be in rescue in the first place. it boils down to doing your homework and get informed about all the processes that are in place. if you have a dog going thru a reputable rescue or gap, at least you know that one of the key points in adopting is that if circumstances change and the dog can no longer stay, gap or a reputable rescue will take the dog back for rehoming. i hope this information is of some help.



Ellen O'Brien
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Hello To All Who have copmmented on this subject I have just been reading all of these comments and want to add my story.

I sent my beautiful boy to same place and like some one else said the dog never had an aggressive bone in his body He was not there very long and same thing as Jenny would have had him returned a lot earlier than i did only some of their messages did not get to me. When i did pick him up at a race track he seemed to be distressed and looked like he had been sedated, i mentioned to the person that he seemed to be limping and not himself with no comment being made, he was dirty ears full of dirt a white dog that was almost brown he had lost weight which one would assume could happen but he also came back with what seemed like a broken toe vet said it would have to be x-rayed to be sure given the expense treated it ourselves.
He is only just starting to be like his old self he was very nervous for for a long time, it broke my heart to see him come back like he did and I was very angry and rang them to say what i thought about I will never send another dog there.

I guess some make it through I was told about 2 that did pass but suddenly got this high prey drive after and were put down so what does that say for their supposed introduction. My blood still boils when i think of it all



Peter Gurry
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Colleen Margaret Watson wrote:

Thanks Kevin. Sounds like a good idea. I wish I had of known about this sooner.

No guarantees Colleen it's still a numbers game


Anthony Ryan
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Colleen Margaret Watson wrote:

No Anthony, I'm not comfortable with my decision. What caring person would be comfortable with a decision to have these beautiful animals put down because you didn't have any other choice. It breaks my heart. If GAP won't take them & we can't keep them due to council restrictions could you please tell me what's the other alternative. I could put them out on a farm somewhere to live their lives out. Yes,they would be alive but what quality of life would they have. Stuck in a yard for the rest of their lives.

As a matter of interest just how many dogs have you had & how many are wandering around your yard as pets at present?

I can't see anywhere on here where I have rubbished GAP. I just stated the facts as to what happened with my experience with them. I did say I wouldn't send another dog to them. I'm happy for people whose dogs have found loving homes.

I have no more to say to you Anthony except to say if you tried to upset me with your cruel comments you have certainly succeeded in doing that.

I can certainly tell you what the other alternative is if you are not comfortable euthanising your dogs. Don't get any more than you can guarantee their welfare post racing.

If you are comfortable with the fact that there is a good chance they will be euthanised, then get as many as you want.

You enter the greyhound industry with your eyes wide open. You know if you want to be a trainer for a living what that means you will inevitably have to do at some stage. If you are not comfortable with it, then you best not particpate or particpate in much reduced capacity (i.e. that allows you to ensure the welfare of your dogs post racing)

In any case, the greyhound industry is far better off because of gap and similar organisations. It gives some dogs another chance. And I think that is an awesome thing no matter what the statistics are. Their reputation shouldn't be tarnished publicly by an alleged bad experience because you havent managed to rationalise your personal responsibility in regard to this incident.

I commend you for taking your dogs to GAP in the first place. At least you gave them a chance. It's a pity it didn't work out for them. But that's where you should have left it.

FYI, as well as my racer I have a GAP dog at home (someone elses ex racer, not mine). And they are a bloody magnificent organisation to deal with and I would recommend them to anyone - trainer or pet owner alike.




Colleen Margaret Watson
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03 Feb 2013 04:46


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Thanks Liz, one thing that's come out of this is I've gained a lot more information for future reference.

I looked up the egreyhound website. What wonderful work these people do. It sounds like most of their dogs come from pounds.

I would never give a dog away to anyone as a pet especially someone I didn't know. There are some terribly cruel people out there & you wouldn't know what they would do with the dog ot how they would treat it.



Colleen Margaret Watson
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03 Feb 2013 04:48


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We're in N.S.W Kevin. Thanks for the information though.


Colleen Margaret Watson
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03 Feb 2013 04:50


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I feel for you Ellen.



Tor Janes
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Hi Colleen

I have only had the need to move on a few and one I advertised in the paper and the bloke that picked her up loves her and looks after her, maybe I was lucky

The other went to safety net and I have had emails from them letting me know how she goes.

Greyhounds, whilst different to other dogs can be a great pet, I wish more people knew this.

You sound like a nice person Colleen, GAP do try and do what they can but they could do with more funding , TAB makes money from the dogs the dogs they pay thier wages and they would never invest in something like a retirement home for the dogs that provide thier product...mmmmmmmm thats nice isnt it.


Jeff Holland
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Denise Wigney from the original GapNSW EXTERNAL LINK has asked me to post that her organisation has absolutely no links with the current GRNSW Gap program EXTERNAL LINK
It seems a lot of the bad publicity generated by this topic from peoples experiences with the GRNSW program has comeback onto Denise and her organisation, which is quite unfair, as from what i've seen personally, denise makes every attempt to re-house dogs, sometimes with a dog spending a few years in her care till they are ready for the world, and from what i've counted has a 90%+ adoption rate.

I would like to add that Denise and her Gap is unfunded by GRNSW or Govt, and they really appreciate a little extra when you drop the dog off.

cheers, jeff


David Coleman
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jeff holland wrote:

Denise Wigney from the original GapNSW EXTERNAL LINK has asked me to post that her organisation has absolutely no links with the current GRNSW Gap program EXTERNAL LINK
It seems a lot of the bad publicity generated by this topic from peoples experiences with the GRNSW program has comeback onto Denise and her organisation, which is quite unfair, as from what i've seen personally, denise makes every attempt to re-house dogs, sometimes with a dog spending a few years in her care till they are ready for the world, and from what i've counted has a 90%+ adoption rate.

I would like to add that Denise and her Gap is unfunded by GRNSW or Govt, and they really appreciate a little extra when you drop the dog off.

cheers, jeff


Thats very interesting Jeff and thanks for the info..

It seems that Gapnsw is the place for people to enquire regards having their gre adopted and NOT Grnnsw gap program

Its a pity the funding seems to be going to the wrong organisation and its to the one not doing as good a job

Maybe if the auction of pups gets off the ground some funding will go to the organisation doing the best job up there..Gapnsw

Any reason Jeff why Grnsw have started a separate Gap program and not backed the original Gapnsw...

Regards David



Jeff Holland
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David, the original Gap was affiliated with GRNSW, but i'm not that sure what happened.

But I cant see why they shouldnt attract funding from the sport, they're long term, and do a good job.

GRNSW probably need to look at some sort of grant payment for every successfully adopted dog, or at the least pick-up the tab for the rent they pay for kennels at the Animal Welfare League.

Whatever, we're not talking much money.

Just looking at the accounts we spent about $200k on the GRNSW GAP program, which is a fair way short of what GRV spend for a similar population.

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