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Carole Shinkwin
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This was in the Irish Independant today:-

A MAN gave two greyhounds to a third party, who shot them in the head after they showed no sign of chasing hares.

A court heard yesterday that the two dead dogs were found, along with four other dead greyhounds that had also suffered gunshot wounds, in a disused quarry at Ballyagran, Co Limerick, on April 10, 2012.

John Corkery (53), a well-known greyhound trainer, with 18 years' experience, had been training the two dogs for competition.

The owners of the other dead dogs are unknown.

Inspector Eamon O'Neill, of Askeaton garda station, told Newcastle West District Court, the case was "the first of its kind" to be brought under the Welfare of Greyhounds Act 2011.

Mr Corkery, of Love Lane, Charleville, Cork, admitted one count of forging his son's name as the registered owner of a greyhound 'Rathluirc Sham'.

He also pleaded guilty to failing to notify the Irish Coursing Board of the transfer of ownership of a greyhound 'Kildangan Dawn'.

Judge Mary Larkin noted Mr Corkery would not identify the person who shot the two dogs.

Judge Larkin said: "It is the inhumane manner in which the dogs were put down that gives the gravest offence."

She fined Mr Corkery 300 for the forgery and 500 for failing to notify transfer of ownership.



Mary Crotty
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26 Apr 2013 14:57


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Should make the world a better place for greyhounds .


Mark Conway
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26 Apr 2013 17:51


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800 fine big deal, should have been 8 grand and made to pay every penny


Geoff Bateman
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26 Apr 2013 19:37


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mark conway wrote:

800 fine big deal, should have been 8 grand and made to pay every penny

Dead right Mark, and warned off as well



Mick Butler
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26 Apr 2013 20:21


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Thats a shocker !Should have his trainers license removed for good. The fine is a joke!
Just makes you wonder where the other 4 greyhounds came from !! and i guess thats where most of them before these 6 ended up!



John Daniels
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26 Apr 2013 20:39


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mark conway wrote:

800 fine big deal, should have been 8 grand and made to pay every penny

i think its the most that the law allows unfortunately



Gina Hetherington PA
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26 Apr 2013 21:18


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He was fined 300 for the forgery and 500 for failing to notify transfer of ownership. There was NO penalty for shooting the dogs and dumping their bodies as he refused to identify the shooter. Is this not 'Perverting the course of justice'? If you refused to identify someone who shot a person, would you not be arrested? Very strange.
Well done to IGB for getting it to court though.
Did anyone hear the result of the Dublin case today re the same dogs?



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Seeing that John Corkery was not cooperated with the investigation the IGB will not renew his trainers license - and further to that he may be debarred from registering greyhounds in his name.

Mugs IMO.


Mary Crotty
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I hope it will stop people passing on their dogs to anyone where they often end up worst than being shot ,the sentence is lenient but its a start in the right direction .


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john daniels wrote:

mark conway wrote:

800 fine big deal, should have been 8 grand and made to pay every penny

i think its the most that the law allows unfortunately


Surely could have been fined for littering aswell , fine of 3000 for that. Surely he wouldn't have the nerve to appear at a track again with a greyhound .fine seems very small when you see the fines for doping at least them dogs don't have head blown to pieces
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Lotte Orum
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What I'm about to write will be controversial, so I'll explain a little about myself first.
My dogs are feed Gain+meat+salmon darnes, they sleep in kennels, with bundles of thick blankets, under heatlamps. When their racing career is finished I always rehome them and still keep contact with the adopters via facebook.
It's impossible to find a loving home for every single greyhound - it's the same situation with cats and other breeds of dogs. Pounds do put animals to sleep on a regular basis, because they can't find homes for them - it's very sad indeed, but it's the reality.
I don't find it inhumane to put a dog to sleep by shooting them - it's quick and painless if it's done correct. Had one of my horses put to sleep by injection a couple of years ago - it was a frightening sight and took forever, it would've been 10 times more humane to shoot him - he broke his front leg by the way.
I think it's disgusting to dump the dead greyhounds - very disrespectful and says a lot about the owner - in my opinion this offence should be penalized with a big fine.
As regards for the change of ownership:
There's a slip at the bottom of the change of ownership form, which I always send to ICC, but with the new rules, that makes it a legal offence, I suppose this isn't enough to prove that you actually sold the dog. A friend of mine suggested that I filled out the change of ownership form and paid the fee - for the ICC to hunt down the new owner for the signature - and only then will the new owner receive the race card. It's easy for me, but it'll put extra work load on ICC - are they ready to accept this? What else are we suppose to do, when we sell a dog to fex England???


Lotte Orum
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27 Apr 2013 16:27


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Gina Hetherington PA wrote:

If you refused to identify someone who shot a person, would you not be arrested? Very strange.


Gina love - I know you love animals, but there is a huge difference between shooting a person and putting a dog to sleep!


Carole Shinkwin
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Lotte you suggest that shooting a dog is putting it to sleep, I totally disagree. Putting a dog to sleep is by injection where it passes away quietly in its owners arms, not having to look down a gun barrel and having its brains blowen out.


Stephen Burns
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28 Apr 2013 05:45


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Carole Shinkwin wrote:

Lotte you suggest that shooting a dog is putting it to sleep, I totally disagree. Putting a dog to sleep is by injection where it passes away quietly in its owners arms, not having to look down a gun barrel and having its brains blowen out.

lotte putting a dog to sleep humanely is completely diffrent to putting a horse to sleep for a number of reasons if you have horses you should know this are you saying you shoot your own dogs im afraid you are way off the mark with your comments


Lotte Orum
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stephen burns wrote:

Carole Shinkwin wrote:

Lotte you suggest that shooting a dog is putting it to sleep, I totally disagree. Putting a dog to sleep is by injection where it passes away quietly in its owners arms, not having to look down a gun barrel and having its brains blowen out.

lotte putting a dog to sleep humanely is completely diffrent to putting a horse to sleep for a number of reasons if you have horses you should know this are you saying you shoot your own dogs im afraid you are way off the mark with your comments

WHY is it completely different putting a horse to sleep and putting a dog to sleep????? I've had dogs, horses, cats, birds and fish it was the same tears and sorrow each time they had to be put to sleep. Stephen - do you eat meat? How do you think cows, sheep and pigs are killed? Quickly and efficient with a stun gun. If the person who killed them dogs knew how to shoot properly the dogs didn't feel any pain or distress. I'm not licensed to hold and shoot a gun and I'm a wuss, so putting my own animals to sleep is not an option for me, but I see no reason why a person with the proper training and knowledge shouldn't do it..... what is the difference between a vet and a competent person???? When my big 700kg horse broke his leg and had to be put to sleep - I would've preferred a competent gun-person to my then vet who was all over the place with his needle and stuff - my horse suffered the distress of trying to get up and the pain far too long, because of the vet....grrr.... I will never forget it!



Lotte Orum
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Carole Shinkwin wrote:

Lotte you suggest that shooting a dog is putting it to sleep, I totally disagree. Putting a dog to sleep is by injection where it passes away quietly in its owners arms, not having to look down a gun barrel and having its brains blowen out.

The dog don't have time to reflect on it's life when being shot in the back of it's head - where as the injection at the vet puts the dog in distress - mind you it's not painless to have a needle inserted. I will again remind you I love my dogs and I do take my dogs an other animals to the vet to be put to sleep, whenever necessary, but I don't see the problem in a skilled gun man with knowledge to make a quick and painful kill shouldn't be just as competent as a vet.


Carole Shinkwin
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OMG Lotte get real you are completely on the wrong track here, as already stated putting a horse to sleep is entirely different than a dog. I can sympatise with you about your horse, you obviously had a vet that clearly knew nothing about horses, maybe that was your mistake when having horses to find out in the first instant what vets deal with horses. Can you imagine the terror in a dogs eyes when having to look at a person aiming a gun at them, and the most competent person can miss and cause great pain and distress, when the injection for a dog and any other small animal is quick. You state what is the difference between a vet and a competent person, thought that was obvious, the vet is licenced to do the job, anyone can make claim to being competent. I had to have one of my dogs put to sleep recently the vet came to my home and she lay in my arms and went off to sleep quickly and without terror. Anyone who condones shooting a dog in my estimation has no feelings for that animal whatsoever.


Carole Shinkwin
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28 Apr 2013 18:22


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Lotte Orum stated:-

The dog don't have time to reflect on it's life when being shot in the back of it's head - where as the injection at the vet puts the dog in distress - mind you it's not painless to have a needle inserted. I will again remind you I love my dogs and I do take my dogs an other animals to the vet to be put to sleep, whenever necessary, but I don't see the problem in a skilled gun man with knowledge to make a quick and painful kill shouldn't be just as competent as a vet.

Lotte I think you have just shot yourself in the foot lol


Lotte Orum
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I've heard of people who's dog ran around the house after being injected with a lethal dose that didn't work properly, because the dog had bad circulation??? This was done by a professional vet !!!
Excuse me for only dealing with one of the most highly recommended vets in Munster, when I chose a vet for my horses - honestly, what do you take me for!!!!
Honestly I think you are adding way too many thoughts to the mind of a dog - a dog don't know what a gun is, how can you claim that the dog has any thoughts about a gun - seriously Carole !
Pigs are suppose to have a higher intelligence than dogs - why is it that it's ok to shoot pigs, but not dogs??? I don't handle guns, because I've no training, which is why I don't shoot animals - as I pointed out in previous post - A COMPETENT GUN PERSON IS A TRAINED GUN MAN, WHO KNOWS WHAT HE/SHE IS DOING !!! Nice one - the shooting yourself in the foot...lol...
We won't agree on this subject and it doesn't make you nor me a better person - I'm sure we both treat our animals with great pride and joy.

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