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The dog don't have time to reflect on it's life when being shot in the back of it's head
Obviously you know this from experience you have actually seen it done, otherwise you are only going on heresay from braggers who like to let people know they can shoot a dog. So if you have seen it done - how?? does someone hold the dog, while The Competent Gun Man shoots it in the back of its head, is it tied to a fence while this So Called Competent Gun Man shoots it in the back of its head, please tell us all about your experiences.
Also you stated:-
I've heard of people who's dog ran around the house after being injected with a lethal dose that didn't work properly, because the dog had bad circulation??? This was done by a professional vet
Again only heresay.
Get Real Lotte you can argue your cause about Shooting dogs until the cows come home, but real animal lovers will disagree with you.
Do both things not achieve the same end??just one is sanitised vet+ needle and all of that.I in know way condone yer man that shot and dumped the dogs.
Posts Dogs / Races 29 Apr 2013 03:40
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For me the main question is not whether shooting is more humane than poisoning the dog.
For me the question is if killing healthy dogs is acceptable. If you have a badly suffering animal, that is in pain and will die - then a quick kill is more human then letting the animal suffer.
But this was not the case here. The dogs were killed just because they did not chase well. The question here is if this should be allowed at all.
The dog don't have time to reflect on it's life when being shot in the back of it's head
Obviously you know this from experience you have actually seen it done, otherwise you are only going on heresay from braggers who like to let people know they can shoot a dog. So if you have seen it done - how?? does someone hold the dog, while The Competent Gun Man shoots it in the back of its head, is it tied to a fence while this So Called Competent Gun Man shoots it in the back of its head, please tell us all about your experiences.
Also you stated:-
I've heard of people who's dog ran around the house after being injected with a lethal dose that didn't work properly, because the dog had bad circulation??? This was done by a professional vet
Again only heresay.
Get Real Lotte you can argue your cause about Shooting dogs until the cows come home, but real animal lovers will disagree with you.
i know people get attached to there dogs and find it hard to think of them being shot but, people there dogs and are eaten in other countries i've seen dogs being shot and its quick and painless ,i dont feel good about it but it has to be done there's to many to rehome and you cant keep them all on your couch. real animal lovers as carole says might disagree but its always been there and is not going away. dumping them in quarries is not right they should be buried
The point of this judgment is not that the dogs was killed.
It is perfectly legal for a LICSENDED person to humanely euthanize an animal - dog, cow, horse, pig, goat etc - whit a bolt gun or any other gun that qualified for the purpose.
That is a different court case for the person that shot the dogs.
This court case was about the fact that it is now a legal matter regarding the transfer of ownership of a ICC / IGB registered Greyhound.
This means that the transfer of ownership - or lack off - can now end you up in court !!!!
As many others I have sold dogs to the northern part of Ireland and to England, filled in the form, signed it and handed it over the the transporter, with the ID card. Trusting buyer to complete the transfer.
After this ruling, I can't se myself doing that in the future.
And what about selling unnamed pups ?? In principle the breeder is the owner of ALL unnamed pups until they are named and reg. with the new owner.
Dos that mean breeders will have to name the pups before selling them to make sure they dont end up in court with a abuse charge ?
The point of this judgment is not that the dogs was killed.
It is perfectly legal for a LICSENDED person to humanely euthanize an animal - dog, cow, horse, pig, goat etc - whit a bolt gun or any other gun that qualified for the purpose.
That is a different court case for the person that shot the dogs.
This court case was about the fact that it is now a legal matter regarding the transfer of ownership of a ICC / IGB registered Greyhound.
This means that the transfer of ownership - or lack off - can now end you up in court !!!!
As many others I have sold dogs to the northern part of Ireland and to England, filled in the form, signed it and handed it over the the transporter, with the ID card. Trusting buyer to complete the transfer.
After this ruling, I can't se myself doing that in the future.
And what about selling unnamed pups ?? In principle the breeder is the owner of ALL unnamed pups until they are named and reg. with the new owner.
Dos that mean breeders will have to name the pups before selling them to make sure they dont end up in court with a abuse charge ?
Karen on the Forms there is the tear off part you must fill in with the new owners ID and address......then you must send this to the ICC......im sure by doing this you are free from liability.....its when u dont do this you are in trouble
Karen on the Forms there is the tear off part you must fill in with the new owners ID and address......then you must send this to the ICC......im sure by doing this you are free from liability.....its when u dont do this you are in trouble
Don't think that's enough anymore Yvonne - anyone can mistreat a dog then send in the slip, claiming they sold the dog to someone else... I've never shot an animal, neither seen it up close - only on TV. I've witnessed my horse struggling to get up with a huge amount of pain, while waiting on the poison the vet was injecting to work - that was more than I could ever ask for - never again!
Karen on the Forms there is the tear off part you must fill in with the new owners ID and address......then you must send this to the ICC......im sure by doing this you are free from liability.....its when u dont do this you are in trouble
Don't think that's enough anymore Yvonne - anyone can mistreat a dog then send in the slip, claiming they sold the dog to someone else... I've never shot an animal, neither seen it up close - only on TV. I've witnessed my horse struggling to get up with a huge amount of pain, while waiting on the poison the vet was injecting to work - that was more than I could ever ask for - never again!
For me the main question is not whether shooting is more humane than poisoning the dog.
For me the question is if killing healthy dogs is acceptable. If you have a badly suffering animal, that is in pain and will die - then a quick kill is more human then letting the animal suffer.
But this was not the case here. The dogs were killed just because they did not chase well. The question here is if this should be allowed at all.
Gunnar, it happens every day at the pounds - they simply can't find enough homes for neither stray dogs nor cats nor unwanted horses etc - healthy or not, it's a very sad reality.
I must admit Karen I always ring the NGRC to find out if they have been tranfered over......however most of mine are not sold on but retired to pet homes through the IGB
and to make matters worse then he has the cheek to go to curraheen park on friday night shouting and roaring a dog home in one of the races,.should be barred for life.
I used to take dogs for people to UK greyhound sales years ago. One was belonging to one of the most genuine people I have met. I sold the dog on his behalf for 40, I think it was at Hackney Sales (the dog, a lovely quiet brindle dog, was VERY slow). Some months later a woman contacted my friend saying she had picked up the poor dog on the motorway in a terrible state, 10 lbs underweight etc. My friend was horrified. So was I, the dog had been sold on the bench. I don't know if the purchaser was ever tracked down and prosecuted but the story did have a happy ending in that this very kind-hearted woman kept the dog herself as a pet and sent photos of him afterwards on his forever sofa. As anybody will tell you a greyhound makes the most fantastic pet of all. I have two of them myself more or less as pets now. If somebody is in it commercially then better to put them down (injection possibly easier than being shot if one had to choose) than leaving them off to fend for themselves on a motorway.
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Monika Then Bergh Germany (Verified User) Posts 571 Dogs 1 / Races 0 01 May 2013 14:54
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Gunnar von Boehn wrote:
For me the main question is not whether shooting is more humane than poisoning the dog.
For me the question is if killing healthy dogs is acceptable. If you have a badly suffering animal, that is in pain and will die - then a quick kill is more human then letting the animal suffer.
But this was not the case here. The dogs were killed just because they did not chase well. The question here is if this should be allowed at all.
That's it
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Orchard Greyhound Sa Ireland (Verified User) Posts 434 Dogs 15 / Races 0 03 May 2013 09:49
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I love this term "professional vet".....by now, some of the more experienced owners and trainers on here should know that some vets are better at some things than others. I had a vet euthanize a pet greyhound of mine many years ago (cancer). He did a lousy job and it will forever stay in my mind how poorly that dog went down. However, since then I have had other dogs put to sleep, and none of them went down that way, though none of them were ever put down by that particular vet. If you don't like the way your last greyhound was put down, CHANGE VETS. The person I have used since then is very good at it, and the dogs just simply drift off to sleep.
It's not against the law to shoot a dog in Ireland.
However, it is absolutely against the Code of Practice, which is included within the Greyhound Welfare Act and is now the law. I have no idea why this was not included in the charges. It was a mild outcome.
Anyone who thinks those dogs were taken there and didn't smell death of the other exposed and rotting corpses and were not affected by it is kidding themselves. Anyone who thinks that Dog One got shot, and Dog Two, who was next in line, was not affected by it, is also kidding themselves.
Orchard Greyhound Sa Ireland (Verified User) Posts 434 Dogs 15 / Races 0 03 May 2013 09:50
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Lotte Orum wrote:
Yvonne Harrington wrote:
Karen on the Forms there is the tear off part you must fill in with the new owners ID and address......then you must send this to the ICC......im sure by doing this you are free from liability.....its when u dont do this you are in trouble
Don't think that's enough anymore Yvonne - anyone can mistreat a dog then send in the slip, claiming they sold the dog to someone else... I've never shot an animal, neither seen it up close - only on TV. I've witnessed my horse struggling to get up with a huge amount of pain, while waiting on the poison the vet was injecting to work - that was more than I could ever ask for - never again!
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