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Carole Shinkwin
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21 May 2013 21:50


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EXTERNAL LINK



Zak Brcic
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21 May 2013 22:39


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lol


Rod Hampton
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22 May 2013 09:17


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Zak, WHAT, EXACTLY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT?


Yvonne Harrington
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22 May 2013 10:11


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No laughing matter this.....Who would supply these scum with dogs to torture.

This needs stopping what possible rubbish to they wish to learn?.....That it hurts them....YES......That it causes stress.....YES......thatr it makes the heart beat faster.....YES

Perhaps they should do the op on each other and then they could discuss the effects


Yvonne Harrington
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22 May 2013 10:13


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What you can do

Please write to the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC), asking them to stop funding animal experiments with your taxpayer dollars, and to instead fund research that is relevant to human health:

Prof. Warwick Anderson
Chief Executive Officer
NHMRC
GPO Box 1421
Canberra, ACT 2601
Email: [email protected]
Lodge a complaint form at EXTERNAL LINK
And please write to the following to express your disappointment at such useless research:

Kim Hughes
Animal Ethics Officer
The University of Newcastle
Email: [email protected]



Jack Ogilvie
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22 May 2013 10:54


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Hi Yvonne,
Good post . can't believe this is in Australia.


Yvonne Harrington
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22 May 2013 12:33


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share it around Jack,.....they will take more notice if its people in Australia who object to this twisted "Doctor"



Monika Then Bergh
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22 May 2013 13:14


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Yvonne Harrington wrote:

No laughing matter this.....Who would supply these scum with dogs to torture.

This needs stopping what possible rubbish to they wish to learn?.....That it hurts them....YES......That it causes stress.....YES......thatr it makes the heart beat faster.....YES

Perhaps they should do the op on each other and then they could discuss the effects


TNX!



Carole Shinkwin
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22 May 2013 13:28


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Zak cannot believe you found this to be laughable.

Well done Yvonne - wonder who the heartless person/persons who supplied and subjected their dogs to such a pointless and cruel thing. There are enough people in prison for the rest of their lives why not subject them to this - whoops so sorry they are humans and not throw away greyhounds.



Zak Brcic
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22 May 2013 20:48


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Sorry,

To read the article the entire way only to reach the end and see that it is purely another ANTI online rant. I found amusing, not the subject matter itself.

How is this any different to what the Anti Greys are doing?
I am sure the article is 100% non biased in anyway & we should all rush off and give our support to yet another Legally run practice in our society & ask for a Ban on animal experimentation.



Zak Brcic
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MEDIA RELEASE 24th April 2013

Taxpayer funded cruelty

To commemorate World Day for Animals in Laboratories

Humane Research Australia is demanding answers as to why millions of animals still continue to suffer unnecessarily each year in Australias medical and scientific research laboratories. And why hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are wasted annually on cruel, ineffective and unnecessary animal experimentation.
Australian taxpayers are inadvertently funding unethical and unnecessary animal experimentation. Every year the National Health and Medical Research Council grant hundreds of millions of tax dollars to numerous medical and scientific research facilities to conduct animal based research in the hope of finding breakthroughs for human illness and disease.

HRA, CEO, Helen Marston said today There is a long overdue need for research funding in Australia to be directed towards the development and validation of scientifically valid non-animal methodologies that will ultimately provide greater health benefits for humans, and in turn prevent the suffering of millions of animals each year.

Theres an urgent need for accountability and transparency to occur within this hidden industry. Everyday Australians have a right to know what is occurring within our medical and scientific research facilities as much of the research being conducted is taxpayer funded.

Recent examples of taxpayer funded animal experiments include:

 Invasive and distressing surgical procedures conducted on conscious greyhounds
 Cats killed in vision experiments
 Baboons killed to study the healing process of shoulder surgery
 Traumatic brain injury induced in rats
 Lambs shaken to death
 Pigs killed after silicone breasts implanted

For further information contact:
Helen Marston, Chief Executive Officer
PH: 03 8823 5704
Mobile: 0407 802 794
[email protected] Suite 704, 1 Princess St, Kew VIC 3101 EXTERNAL LINK


David McGrath
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22 May 2013 21:36


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It is very interesting to read the knee jerk reactions to this research paper.

Of particular interest is the first paragraph of the report which says that "greyhounds underwent invasive and distressing surgery without general anaesthetic or any form of sedative"

There is nothing in the study whatever to suggest that the greyhounds underwent invasive or distressing surgery without General Anaesthetic.

The first part of the study, which was the invasive part WAS carried out under general Anaesthesia.

The second part which involved the placement of monitoring catheters into the heart and the jugular vein under local anaesthetic.

This is standard practice in most cardiology procedures in humans and does not require General Anaesthesia as it is a NON INVASIVE PROCEDURE, ie there is no cutting of the heart or jugular vein to place the catheter probe which is fed along a special introducing wire from the blood vessels in the groin.

Not only were the animals not distressed by the procedure as is hypothesised by the opponents of the experiment but they the dogs appeared unaware of the balloon inflation/deflation process during experiments."

The opponents then add a paragraph which states,

"Furthermore, in six of the dogs, the same process was conducted after they were given particular chemicals in order to induce dilation of blood vessels, and therefore slow the heart rate and lower blood pressure"

as if there was something sinister about this when it was , in fact the core purpose of the study.

Why are studies like these carried out.

Because unfortunately people like you and me, our parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, teenage children , young children and often babies develop diseases of the heart and lungs which are severely debilitating and sometimes life threatening or fatal.

The only way to trial new drugs or operative procedures that mimic ,as closely as possible, the procedures required for humans is to experiment on animals.

That does not mean that the researchers do not respect animals but that they consider that human life is more important.

Obviously not everyone agrees with this view.

I would ask you, however, to reflect the next time that you, a family member or a loved one finds themselves in the very difficult position of needing a Cardiac Bypass operation or a Heart Valve replacement or an operation for Lung Cancer or even a Heart Lung Transplant or you hear of a child who needs major surgery.

Do you think that you would ask them not to have the procedure or indeed not have the procedure or the medication yourself, because the knowledge of how to successfully perform this type of work and save your life has been achieved in some way by Animal Experimentation?

It is very easy to make glib comments about how awful this is but unfortunately difficult choices are being made every day by people who are trying to do their best to improve the treatment of illness and disease in you and in me

David





Mark Schlegel
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22 May 2013 23:34


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What is wrong with these procedures being performed under "local anaesthetic"?

Clearly, every effort is made to ensure these dogs are not suffering or in pain....so what is the issue exactly?

P.S. Fantastic, logical and non-emotive summation from David McGrath (above).


Melissa Hayward
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23 May 2013 03:48


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I'm not trying to be the anti's anti here but this report is as biased as you can get and they are obviously writing it through information obtained by sources that didn't know a lot as it was!!

Sydney Uni recently trialled a similar program on Pigs!! Very interesting results. I don't think this article is entirely true though and I will ask my partner to speak with his professor who actually teaches at Newcastle to obtain some more details about it.

You'll find though that loads if greyhounds ate offered up for testing at alot of Uni's!! It's been happening for years!!



Monika Then Bergh
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Yes, David, you are right,
this comes like a knee jerk reaction to me.
I have not been searching for the original text but indeed, if the whole study-procedure is as unspectacular as you say, why don't we do the research at humans in good health? Or during unavoidable operations? Then the results would be reliable according to human reactions, much more than those results we get from animal testing.
Yes - obviously not everyone will agree with this view either.

One problem is, that not everyone can be a medical researcher, so a shout like the one in the topic starting article EXTERNAL LINK will occur in higher reactions than might be if all of us would have read at least the abstract (the study itself is not open source anyway)

I agree, we could have read more through the internet before a reaction, but in fact this way we have learned what we need to know as well and more than just what's been the subject and proceeding of this particular study.

For those, who would like to read the Abstract:
EXTERNAL LINK
and for those with access - the full text
EXTERNAL LINK

For me personal would be of interest,
- if THESE 12 dogs are still alive
- what sort of long lasting problems they might suffer now
- if they do live a happy life, or are just any sort of "remains" kept as a mouse in a cage,
as I do care for retired racers at home and can not see the topic ending at the point the experiment is done. The dogs are alive after the tests - how does it go on?
Same question as with dogs still alive when their racing days are over...
For me and many others this is topic. As said before - one does not need to be any sort of Anti to be interested in the dogs future after the commercial aspect is done.

There are so many "by-products" related to Greyhounds which do not get along well with the image of a well organised, animal friendly community. Owners and I presume Track-managers, Vets, Stewards, ... and many more involved in the sport do their best to clean wherever they find something to be done, but then come these dubious sideways which are so absolutely non conform with a white image.

We want the sport to be clean, right? How can we get that done, if we do make exceptions for this, that and the other?

Sorry for my English please, I hope it is at least understandable what I try to point at.

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