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Is this what NSW participants want?page  1 2 

John Corrigan
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Strategic Planning Process
Written by: GRNSW
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01/11/13 GRNSW is embarking on a new strategic planning process to outline a shared vision and direction that will ensure greyhound racing in NSW continues to prosper into the future.

Consultation is an important component of developing the strategic plan for the next phase in the future of our sport.

As part of this process GRNSW will be seeking feedback from participants and other stakeholders on the following issues:

Future direction of Metropolitan Racing;
Location of and accessibility to racing;
Racing and trialing facilities;
Spread of TAB B and C meetings;
Race programming;
Growing participation;
Ongoing animal welfare improvements; and
Other issues that people may wish to raise.

As part of its consultation activities, GRNSW will hold a series of focus groups around the state to discuss the key challenges and issues facing the sport over the next decade. The focus groups are designed to be representative of all sections of the industry and are an opportunity for participants to share their ideas on how to make the sport better.

In addition to the focus groups, GRNSW will also be taking written submissions from any interested party.

As such, anybody interested in participating in a session can express their interest in writing to Tess Simmons via the email [email protected] or by telephone (02) 8767 0500 by November 10, 2013.

In general focus groups will have a maximum of 12 people to ensure that all persons attending have an opportunity to contribute and engage in discussion, excluding GRNSW representatives who will facilitate the discussions.

For a detailed schedule of the individual focus groups click here




Barry Ribbons
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Probably instead of listening to a bunch of opinionated trainers that have a thousand different views and can never agree on anything..Brent would be better off using the money for a flight to Victoria and rub shoulders with their CEO and staff and see how they successfully operate the industry down there...main problem here in NSW is, the NSW Government does not support greyhound racing...we are behind the eight ball before we even start... fullstop.




Grant Thomas
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If we keep having plans drawn up...we MIGHT get it right one day...only then will we have anything left in the kitty or anyone to give the winners ribbon to...

If we just rant and rave on here without attending and TRYING to help and give it a go...we ARE just as bad as those running the place...so we better not just POST but ATTEND...



John McAlister
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Well maybe it,s time to get some owners Involved there was a 600m maiden gazetted for this Tuesday at Gosford I nommed a dog and it is sitting in the kennel surely there must be some trainers out there that have a Maiden or 2 that could possibly run a Middle Distance I bet if it was In Victoria the race would have a full field of 10 don,t worry about CEO,s from Victoria the trainers support the racing and are prepared to Venture further than the front Gate


Jeff Holland
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Barry Ribbons wrote:

Probably instead of listening to a bunch of opinionated trainers that have a thousand different views and can never agree on anything..Brent would be better off using the money for a flight to Victoria and rub shoulders with their CEO and staff and see how they successfully operate the industry down there...main problem here in NSW is, the NSW Government does not support greyhound racing...we are behind the eight ball before we even start... fullstop.

you mean the bloke who employed the senor staff at GRNSW?




Craig McKew
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02 Nov 2013 12:35


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Short memories


Jeff Holland
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Craig, GRNSW has always been run on the smell of an oily rag, whilst GRV was fueled on caviar, but GRNSW's response to the Inquiry has been simply to adopt GRV's operating standards as the 'industry best practice' and go for it.

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I wonder what view Bob, Tony and Denis have on the amount of money being spent to bring GRNSW into line with the welfare standards that are 'industry best practice' ?

The disclosed costs to date are $1.5mill per year, and thats whats going to be spent every year + CPI increases, money that normally went onto prizemoney will now go into bureaucracy.

But did GAG go ahead with this inquiry knowing that it had ZERO chance of achieving a positive result on the inter-code, and that their actions would simply impose more cost on participants and bring more bureaucracy?

The unofficial minutes of the GBOTA biannual meeting make interesting reading, but i'll let Bob, Tony and Denis explain their own words.


Joe Mc Fadyen
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02 Nov 2013 23:17


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Jeff I'm sure I read not long ago that you said GRV and GRNSW admin costs are roughly the same percentage?
Now you're saying its caviar compared to an oily rag? Which one is it?


Jeff Holland
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03 Nov 2013 00:33


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Joe Mc Fadyen wrote:

Jeff I'm sure I read not long ago that you said GRV and GRNSW admin costs are roughly the same percentage?
Now you're saying its caviar compared to an oily rag? Which one is it?

No, I never said that, from memory it was PAW




Glenn Hatton
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jeff holland wrote:

Craig, GRNSW has always been run on the smell of an oily rag, whilst GRV was fueled on caviar, but GRNSW's response to the Inquiry has been simply to adopt GRV's operating standards as the 'industry best practice' and go for it.

EXTERNAL LINK
I wonder what view Bob, Tony and Denis have on the amount of money being spent to bring GRNSW into line with the welfare standards that are 'industry best practice' ?

The disclosed costs to date are $1.5mill per year, and thats whats going to be spent every year + CPI increases, money that normally went onto prizemoney will now go into bureaucracy.

But did GAG go ahead with this inquiry knowing that it had ZERO chance of achieving a positive result on the inter-code, and that their actions would simply impose more cost on participants and bring more bureaucracy?

The unofficial minutes of the GBOTA biannual meeting make interesting reading, but i'll let Bob, Tony and Denis explain their own words.

Are you suggesting NSW not go with 'industry best practices'?




Chris Carl
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03 Nov 2013 01:10


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Sounds like they've rejigged Brian's gig


Jeff Holland
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I'm suggesting you ask the cost first, and look at what is affordable.

No point GRNSW having Mercedes tastes if it means prizemoney falls to the levels we see in WA, SA and Qld.

If you look at the latest Annual report and look at expenses growth, and then look at revenue growth for the TAB and Corps, one has peaked and looks headed for decline, whilst growth in the other has halved in the past 12 months.

Increasing the fixed costs of GRNSW to bring it up to the standard of GRV when the wagering market is close to maturity can only mean prizemoney will suffer.

looks as if GAG will just deliver more cost, more bueaucracy and no more revenue to pay for it. Add to that GAGs uncosted call for Cessnock to be re-opened, and this Inquiry which has already led to cost increases well over $1.5 mill, looks like being a body blow to any chance of NSW increasing prizemoney.



Glenn Hatton
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With GRNSW & GBOTA asking to submit a joint submission with GAG, it appears your the only one left holding the protest flag


Jeff Holland
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Well they are the two groups who most need to salvage something from the wreck GAG has created, and maybe they just read your existing submission and decided that the sport cant afford the embarrassment of GAG going it alone.

As i've said, look at the damage you have already done!


Robert Whitelaw
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03 Nov 2013 03:28


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Joe Mc Fadyen wrote:

Jeff I'm sure I read not long ago that you said GRV and GRNSW admin costs are roughly the same percentage?
Now you're saying its caviar compared to an oily rag? Which one is it?
Joe
When one is on half a TABLET a day to stay awake anything is likely to come out. Its the poor old participant that's been running on a oily rag and administration eating up the caviar and now to bung on a workshop its telling you they have no idea. What are the real needs of the participants they just want to throw our money about and hope for the best ! Well, We say the GIGs up! It has taken 6 YEARS for G.R.I.C.G to finally ask the participants for their ideas, as Don McMIllan just said, its a "BLOODY DISGRACE" end of quote .Its time we did have a say and lets get to these workshops and try to have more say in our future direction this requires commitment from all concern or do we just lay back with a couple of nodoze and a cup of coffee or tea and just hope for the best ?

Regards Bob


Jody Manuel
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03 Nov 2013 03:43


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Jeff holland I don't know you at all but I read a lot of the forum and not comment much but why are you so negative all the time....we do need change and more prize money and a lot more of a lot of things to keep our sport alive in NSW we need to work together whether you like it or not to get the changes needed



Glenn Hatton
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IN FAIRNESS JEFF DIDNT SAY IT,( & THE TALK WAS ABOUT INCOME VS. PRIZEMONEY NOT ADMIN COSTS) BUT PAUL GOT IT WRONG.

JUST TO GIVE FACTS GRNSW ADMIN COSTS ARE HIGHER % THAN GRV

jeff holland wrote:

Joe Mc Fadyen wrote:

Jeff I'm sure I read not long ago that you said GRV and GRNSW admin costs are roughly the same percentage?
Now you're saying its caviar compared to an oily rag? Which one is it?

No, I never said that, from memory it was PAW

glenn hatton wrote:

Paul Wheeler wrote:

Bob
The mess we are in is the NSW is the intercode agrement which has cost the greyhound industry in NSW including interest since privitisation about 200 million Dollars

We are being duded as you say because or the lack of funds coming to ur industry in NSW

Facts are in Vic their gross earning this year will be about 70 million and they will pay about 40 million in prize money which is about 57% prize money out of their gross income

Facts are in NSW their gross earnings will be about 40 Million and they will pay about 23 million in Prize money or about 57% of their gross income

On top of that Vic will get another 6 to 8 million in hand outs from their government over a 4 year period.

So how is NSW doing such a bad job with the funds they are getting ?

Bob don't ring me with your garbage until know the facts about what is actually happening

Paw

....??? . If the figure of $23 million in prize money is correct for 2013, this will be down $4 million from FYE 2012 figure of $27 million...already an alarming sign.

In going by 2012 figures, if you take out the race fields money (which has to go straight to prizemoney; thanks Jeff), than the figure is closer to 47% of income paid to prize money.
Also, considering the income was boosted by another $6.9 million in deferred income from the outcome of the court case for Racefields legislation than the % becomes closer to 35% of income.

BUT JEFF & PAUL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO FIGURES.....THE 'NO IDEA' PAGE.


Kyleigh Fahey
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I think it's a great idea, we had something very similar in tassie and it worked really well, but it doesn't matter what you do in this industry people are always going to disagree its in their nature to do so, 12 people is probably too many at once, more meetings and smaller groups


Robert Whitelaw
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05 Nov 2013 06:40


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glenn hatton wrote:

IN FAIRNESS JEFF DIDNT SAY IT,( & THE TALK WAS ABOUT INCOME VS. PRIZEMONEY NOT ADMIN COSTS) BUT PAUL GOT IT WRONG.

JUST TO GIVE FACTS GRNSW ADMIN COSTS ARE HIGHER % THAN GRV

jeff holland wrote:

Joe Mc Fadyen wrote:

Jeff I'm sure I read not long ago that you said GRV and GRNSW admin costs are roughly the same percentage?
Now you're saying its caviar compared to an oily rag? Which one is it?

No, I never said that, from memory it was PAW

glenn hatton wrote:

Paul Wheeler wrote:

Bob
The mess we are in is the NSW is the intercode agrement which has cost the greyhound industry in NSW including interest since privitisation about 200 million Dollars

We are being duded as you say because or the lack of funds coming to ur industry in NSW

Facts are in Vic their gross earning this year will be about 70 million and they will pay about 40 million in prize money which is about 57% prize money out of their gross income

Facts are in NSW their gross earnings will be about 40 Million and they will pay about 23 million in Prize money or about 57% of their gross income

On top of that Vic will get another 6 to 8 million in hand outs from their government over a 4 year period.

So how is NSW doing such a bad job with the funds they are getting ?

Bob don't ring me with your garbage until know the facts about what is actually happening

Paw

....??? . If the figure of $23 million in prize money is correct for 2013, this will be down $4 million from FYE 2012 figure of $27 million...already an alarming sign.

In going by 2012 figures, if you take out the race fields money (which has to go straight to prizemoney; thanks Jeff), than the figure is closer to 47% of income paid to prize money.
Also, considering the income was boosted by another $6.9 million in deferred income from the outcome of the court case for Racefields legislation than the % becomes closer to 35% of income.

BUT JEFF & PAUL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO FIGURES.....THE 'NO IDEA' PAGE.


Yeah Glen a lot of us just can not believe how much amiss they are ?


Robert Whitelaw
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05 Nov 2013 07:08


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John Corrigan wrote:

Strategic Planning Process
Written by: GRNSW
More Sharing Services
01/11/13 GRNSW is embarking on a new strategic planning process to outline a shared vision and direction that will ensure greyhound racing in NSW continues to prosper into the future.

Consultation is an important component of developing the strategic plan for the next phase in the future of our sport.

As part of this process GRNSW will be seeking feedback from participants and other stakeholders on the following issues:

Future direction of Metropolitan Racing;
Location of and accessibility to racing;
Racing and trialing facilities;
Spread of TAB B and C meetings;
Race programming;
Growing participation;
Ongoing animal welfare improvements; and
Other issues that people may wish to raise.

As part of its consultation activities, GRNSW will hold a series of focus groups around the state to discuss the key challenges and issues facing the sport over the next decade. The focus groups are designed to be representative of all sections of the industry and are an opportunity for participants to share their ideas on how to make the sport better.

In addition to the focus groups, GRNSW will also be taking written submissions from any interested party.

As such, anybody interested in participating in a session can express their interest in writing to Tess Simmons via the email [email protected] or by telephone (02) 8767 0500 by November 10, 2013.

In general focus groups will have a maximum of 12 people to ensure that all persons attending have an opportunity to contribute and engage in discussion, excluding GRNSW representatives who will facilitate the discussions.

For a detailed schedule of the individual focus groups click here


John
I can see why they are only looking for 12 participants, there's only a few thousand left in 2013 ? back in 1993 we had twelve thousand four hundred and eighty participants to me it spells out a very clear message, That those who have been involved in it for sometime have been so disenchanted by what they have encountered ,that one in every four actually decide to quit over the last twenty years.That in itself places Greyhound Racing in a bad light which is tearing the heart out of industry we must embrace this chance with this process! its better then nothing

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