Lucky eleven won in 30.08 after winning maiden in sub 24.80 BON at Goulburn only two starts back.

Its a good start to her career having only had a few starts.

She is one of only a handful of lucky chap pups to race. With all the talk of new sires around he is pretty much under the radar but I think is one of very few living sons of Brett lee at stud. Being by cawbourne whip means he is bred in the purple. She herself winning at Wenty in 29.38 during her stellar race career.

Will be interesting to see how his next few litters go. Either way nice to have a third potential brood bitch in the making if she can win a few more and put some good times on the board.

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Hi Darren. Yes his breeding is exceptional with Molotov on the third line amongst other things. I think he offers breeders a lot. This bitch very very keen and stil somewhat immature. If she can win in some Fast times she would be an exciting broodbitch opportunity in my opinion.

Its why I jumped at the chance to secure a bitch from the litter. Blessed she shows some good ability.

Hope all well.

I am happy to take a chance on a well bred bitch as a Broodie from a proven line provided she fits my criteria which is that she must have genuine city class ability.

Which one did you breed? i looked through fast track at all the sisters and could not see your name on any litters. Just interested in seeing who you used as the sires and maybe learning.

Always said you learn more from what doesnt work more often than the other way round.

As for lucky chap. I still think he is extremely well bred and will be interested to see how they come in all be it there are only a handful.

Good luck with her Andrew I hope that she makes the grade for you. It was a good win.

So hopefully she gives me a few cheers next year or two while the two bitches I am breeding from have Pups. Long wait now.

Guess there will be plenty of sire options For her down track.

I wld have thought it's actually quite the opposite as they wld find the linebreeding much easier to identify.

For example with Andrews bitch if you are looking at the x path down her damline to I Am Going Places, I noticed Joe Moss who is a litterm8 of Max Moss and Mister Moss who are offspring of Which Chariot & cornerstone brood Elsie Moss. Max Moss especially relevant as he's also in x in Kinloch Brae's pedigree CLICK HERE and we know what happened in Aus when Kinloch Brae was mated to bitches who carried Temlee in x whose damsire is litterm8 Mister Moss also in the x path.

Andrew's bitch is literally a reverse playing the role of Kinloch Brae giving up Max Moss' brother Joe Moss and I think from memory there are 4 doses of Temlee in the x path in Lucky Chaps pedigree and therefore in the x path to Which Chariot and Elsie Moss within 12 generations.

So it's likely far easier for them to identify linebreeding intensities within outcrosses than it is with your standard Aus sire.

Andrew can keep this niche going too with Lucky Eleven if he uses a sire that carries Temlee in x within 8 generations.

My bitch was only a reason to justify me bringing him To peoples attention. He has a few interesting things in his pedigree that I think few others have or can offer.

Lets see how he goes with his few litters.

Hope you are having luck like eveyone.

Best

Ryan,

What relevance would ancestors over 10 generations ago have on this breeding if the % is minuscule? The gene pool has been diluted one hundred fold by totally unrelated greyhounds.

By the way with Kinloch Brae cornerstone brood Elsie Moss was in the 6th gen (you just cant get Elsie anywhere near that in Aus anymore), with J's Robin it's in the 8th. Yes it's diluted Elsie being in the 8th gen, but Andrew still got a city winning bitch and you congratulated him for it. What if Lucky 11 gets faster ? She is only 2yoa.

So if it's not the line breeding in x with Lucky 11 what do you think it is if you don't believe in linebreeding?

As with the outcross it is far easier to spot linebreeding and not as you stated, a lack of knowledge those so called experts have with outcross pedigrees. At least admit to that.

She looks to have great upside as a brood later on!

Where did I say I don't believe in linebreeding?
Elsie Moss last appeared in K.B's pedigree 60 years ago with a percentage influence of 3.9%. How can that be an influence in 2020 and at what percentage??
Why focus on Elsie Moss? Who's to say that she is the influencing factor in Lucky Eleven's current performance?

I believe the Lords used Lucky Chap because they knew the dog's ability and also owned and/or trained a number of his ancestors.
Nothing more nothing less than that. The same applies to the dam, J's Robin. She threw some handy ones from previous litters to good sires.

I think Jodie is on here so she may comment on her reasoning when choosing Lucky Chap for J's Robin.

If you don't believe in that, what linebreeding do you believe in with Andrews bitch ? That's what I'm scratching my head about.

So pls also take back this erroneous and provocative statement, which is blatently incorrect.

Tony Digiorgio wrote:

Lucky Eleven is totally outcrossed which makes the breeding gurus and so called experts scratch their heads.....

As I wldn't think any expert on breeding is scratching their heads at all about how relevant linebreeding is when you outcross, as linebreeding is all you have to link the mating, that's speaking from a linebreeding perspective. As you have correctly said previously "The gene pool has been diluted one hundred fold by totally unrelated greyhounds."

In other words, outcrossing actually highlights the linebreeding which is the opposite of what you are saying. Therefore extremely unlikely any breeding expert is scratching their head with outcross matings, coming from a linebreeding perspective.

Nothing erroneous in what I've said Ryan.

You still haven't convinced us that line breeding is the reason Lucky Chap has thrown a potentially good dog like Lucky Eleven.
Andy has just confirmed that the sire was used purely on the dog's ability on the track after what could have been a career ending accident in the paddock. The rest is due to good training methods and more importantly.....LUCK!