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Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Oct 2021 05:17
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Graeme Beasley wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
I wld call litter bros 'close', just as I'd call repeat matings 'close' ie Awesome Assassin/Lilli Pilly Lad, the key is they are of the same blood but yet are different individuals.
As I've said in the first post the male can't pass on 'x' from a male to a male, however what no can say is what effect 'x' (being 8x larger than say 'y') has on that whole litter, males included. The males just cant pass x onto another male.
I agree that 'close' means parents, brothers and sisters, but your theory as posted in this thread doesn't rely on close relatives.
Now, if a male can't pass on his X-chromosome to a male (son), how can it be of any value (to a male)? It's like saying that if I park my 100HP car next to a car with 200HP all of a sudden I have 300HP. It simply can't happen.
That's exactly what I posted, I don't understand your point there at all.
Lol hardly the same analogy re x.
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 17 Oct 2021 08:32
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
Graeme Beasley wrote:
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
I wld call litter bros 'close', just as I'd call repeat matings 'close' ie Awesome Assassin/Lilli Pilly Lad, the key is they are of the same blood but yet are different individuals.
As I've said in the first post the male can't pass on 'x' from a male to a male, however what no can say is what effect 'x' (being 8x larger than say 'y') has on that whole litter, males included. The males just cant pass x onto another male.
I agree that 'close' means parents, brothers and sisters, but your theory as posted in this thread doesn't rely on close relatives.
Now, if a male can't pass on his X-chromosome to a male (son), how can it be of any value (to a male)? It's like saying that if I park my 100HP car next to a car with 200HP all of a sudden I have 300HP. It simply can't happen.
That's exactly what I posted, I don't understand your point there at all.
Lol hardly the same analogy re x.
Nah it's not exactly what you posted, you said...
Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
... however what no can say is what effect 'x' (being 8x larger than say 'y') has on that whole litter, males included.
It has no effect on the males and it's been proven decades ago that it has no effect. It's actually basic genetics. Therefore X-path line breeding doesn't work for male offspring.
Ryan Vanderwert Australia (Verified User) Posts 5957 Dogs 8 / Races 0 17 Oct 2021 09:13
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It hasn't been proven that x doesn't have an effect on the whole litter at all. All that's been proven is that the males from that litter cant pass on the x from their sire - that's basic genetics.
That genetics article 9/2016 possibly proves that x may have an effect on the whole litter, where as previously they didn't know whether it did or didn't. The dogs I found on that list linebreeding to those cornerstone broods in x certainly indicates there's something going on genetically(as the article says), Kinloch Brae comes along and validates linebreeding in x to Elsie Moss again, but you go ahead believe what you want to believe, as will I.
Graeme Beasley Australia (Verified User) Posts 3265 Dogs 27 / Races 5 17 Oct 2021 21:41
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:
It hasn't been proven that x doesn't have an effect on the whole litter at all. All that's been proven is that the males from that litter cant pass on the x from their sire - that's basic genetics.
That genetics article 9/2016 possibly proves that x may have an effect on the whole litter, where as previously they didn't know whether it did or didn't. The dogs I found on that list linebreeding to those cornerstone broods in x certainly indicates there's something going on genetically(as the article says), Kinloch Brae comes along and validates linebreeding in x to Elsie Moss again, but you go ahead believe what you want to believe, as will I.
Jeepers, you need to do some reading.
Nicholas Arena Australia (Verified User) Posts 233 Dogs 10 / Races 0 17 Oct 2021 21:43
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As my dear friend Paul Wheeler use to tell me . "Some lines are predominately sire lines other lines are predominately dam lines".
I will leave to to all to determine the X & Y factors - Paul wasn't into the X & Y theories but practically knew the influence or predisposition of certain line and applied it to his breeding program.
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