This topic is trying to show its not so much Fernando/Barcia for instance that puts the motor into the top racers. Rather the actual pedigree (engine) within. Which can be obtained from varying sires of distance and price point. After all, 99.9% of sires were indeed top class race dogs themselves. In turn the breed benefits as a whole!

Your brilliant racebitch Showgirl Queen actually looks the perfect test case to prove it. While youve gone and put the aforementioned cross in using Fernando Bale. Would be interesting to see the result youd get using the complete opposite end of the spectrum in a non-commercial all distance dynamo - CLICK HERE

He Shall Power shows it working, as does Xtreme Knocka and an originator Si Senor as well. Then you have the correlation between Droopys Kewell and Flying Penske (Herstal, Antigua Fire, Droopys Noah, Javielenko, Droopys Dargle)...plus the cross between Droopys Kewell and Surf Lorian (Definite Opinion...Barcelona Boss). Not to mention the obvious Wheres Pedro duplication. Making it a well balanced looking pedigree. But most importantly putting proven big time powerhouse genes together.

What have been the breeding ventures for gurus Darren Leeson and Ryan Vanderwert over the last few years? I haven't kept a close eye on the goings on in the industry recently.

I did see the Leeson bred Frieda Las Vegas has a huge motor, but lacks early speed and can get smashed in the pack as a consequence. Mind you she is out of a champion UK bitch, so it's little wonder she can gallop.

Heres an interesting list.

Dasha 14 starts 3-2-2 Cranb 30.87, Sandown city placed 30.06...dam of G1 Topgun winner Get It Gizmo.

Flying Liddy 53 starts 3-6-7; twice city place Wentworth Park 30.44 and 30.53 dam of multiple G1 winner Zambora Brockie.

Hail Queenie placed Wentworth Park 31.18 - dam of Black Forge

Who Told Lindylu 51 Starts. 7-5-10 PM $9878. TAB winner couldnt place in city - dam of Simon Told Helen and Who Told Stevie.

Captivating twice city placed sister to Jubilation - dam of Black Opium

Jubilation TAB winning sister to Captivating - dam of Flynn

Love To Rock 5 starts 0-0-0, but ran 30.87 at Richmond in getting beat to show she had a good motor and subsequently produced G1 dogs Matt Machine & Exs and Ohs

Foot Luce 6 starts 1-0-0 Angle Park 30.63 dam of G1 Sapphire Crown winner Oakvale Destiny and hot litter mates Oakvale Magic, Footluce Diva, Texas Titan

Limited Addition 13 starts 0-1-1. Dam of multiple Group race finalist Patch Adam Wentworth Park 29.55, Rich 30.41, 30.42; Gardens 29.43

Keiras Charm 1 TAB 6 country wins - dam of G1 Bago Bye Bye

Unquestionably 300m bitch - dam of Zoom Out

Easy Baby 300m bitch - dam of Big Flood

Father of Mine 300m TAB bitch - dam of Group winning littermates Nervous And Weird, My American Girl

Little Hammer 5 starts 1-0-1 Meadows 30.80 - dam of Slingshot Hammer

All Quality TAB winner - dam of Group finalists La Grand Quality, Caviar Quality

Flossy 9 starts 1-3-0 TAB winner - dam of Peter Galo, To The Galos

Flash Riot TAB winner failed to place in city dam of Start A Riot

Weeping Lass 300m TAB winner - dam of Crimson Vixen

Fantasy Royale city placed Wentworth Park - dam of G1 Leroy Rogue, Aphorism, Kong

Splendourous TAB winner, couldnt place in city, ticket for failing to chase - dam of multiple G1 bitch Miss Splendamiro

Fancy Jaffa 2 starts 0-0-0 Richmond 31.58, 31.83 - dam of Burn One Down, Buck Forty

Kirabilli Abbie TAB winner - dam of Lightning Frank

Aston Dream TAB winner city placed Sandown 30.49 - dam of Aston Bolero

Absolute Stunna TAB winner, couldnt place in the city - dam of Blazin Bomber, Bells Are Ringin, Ring The Bell

Zipping Rose 4 starts 0-0-3 (placed Wentworth Park 31.01) - dam of G1 PAWS winner King Cratos

Kim Zarr Dashian couldnt place in the city at Wentworth Park - dam of boom pup Jim Zarr Dashian Sandown Park 29.02 and Im Zarr Rock

Ella Lezah 14 starts 1-2-1 (Gardens 23.25) - dam of Sky Wave, Ella Enchanted, Elusive Wave, Flying Ella, Djay Holden

Definitely an interesting list, but not what I was asking.

There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics.

I don't want to drag this thread down the same old boring path. But in response to your list I see 85%+ of the current top 20 dogs for 2020 on greyhound data are out of City Class bitches.

cry havoc was unraced I think Simon

Head Bound was unraced, but reportedly lightning fast and became leading sire in Ireland. Hes shown his worth here and continues to do so through Aussie Infrared.

He left here for what would have been a record price at the time not because he was a failure ... i think he only served 40/50 bitches here before leaving and threw some pretty handy performers .. Mint Mojo .. Subic City .. Sydney Tiger .. Queen Muffin .. Lady Mint ... Viper's Sting etc etc

We imported a few vials back from Ireland and i think PAW got a couple of them ... pretty sure there's still a few floating around

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