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Breeders, serious consideration If you have a brood with an outcross sire line and Bombastic Shiraz in the third or fourth generations. BINGO ! Your increase chances of success IMO of course
Rodney Newell Australia (Verified User) Posts 71 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Feb 2021 05:09
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do you think bluestone sophie would match with him Graham??
Michael Worth Australia (Verified User) Posts 875 Dogs 2 / Races 0 19 Feb 2021 05:27
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Darren Leeson wrote:
Out of a 300m bitch 33 starts 3-3-3 PM $2600; Healesville 19.88, 20.16
Thats true Darren, but if you go back further, you can see the damline has both speed and strength. A great damline. Theres no rules to breeding, its usually a gut feeling. Can anyone tell me why Fernando Bale is so good. No breeding theories, just an outcross. Is it from the dam? Probably its a proven damline. Why is he throwing on with such outstanding progeny. Is hes damline c@ clicking back with the Aussie broods. Truth is , nobody really knows. All we know is breed from him as you only improve your genetics. JMO . Cheers
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Feb 2021 05:56
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rodney newell wrote:
do you think bluestone sophie would match with him Graham??
ADB is showing he likes dams with plenty of Temlee A 2x3 Bombastic Shiraz gives you a good chance
Rodney I would say yes he will go well with B Sophie ADB proving to be versatile sire.
https:/ CLICK HERE Spiral Nikita position on damline is vital on this pedigree.
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 19 Feb 2021 06:57
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michael worth wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
Out of a 300m bitch 33 starts 3-3-3 PM $2600; Healesville 19.88, 20.16
Thats true Darren, but if you go back further, you can see the damline has both speed and strength. A great damline. Theres no rules to breeding, its usually a gut feeling. Can anyone tell me why Fernando Bale is so good. No breeding theories, just an outcross. Is it from the dam? Probably its a proven damline. Why is he throwing on with such outstanding progeny. Is hes damline c@ clicking back with the Aussie broods. Truth is , nobody really knows. All we know is breed from him as you only improve your genetics. JMO . Cheers
Michael FB 2nd 3rd 4th gen damline is a Tesio principle Many nics way back in pedigree but the closest is
https:/ CLICK HERE Son Of Spectre Both champions speed and strength
Ritas Choice also in No Way Jose pedigree 5th gen
Darren Leeson Australia (Verified User) Posts 1342 Dogs 154 / Races 139 19 Feb 2021 08:06
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michael worth wrote:
Darren Leeson wrote:
Out of a 300m bitch 33 starts 3-3-3 PM $2600; Healesville 19.88, 20.16
Thats true Darren, but if you go back further, you can see the damline has both speed and strength. A great damline. Theres no rules to breeding, its usually a gut feeling. Can anyone tell me why Fernando Bale is so good. No breeding theories, just an outcross. Is it from the dam? Probably its a proven damline. Why is he throwing on with such outstanding progeny. Is hes damline c@ clicking back with the Aussie broods. Truth is , nobody really knows. All we know is breed from him as you only improve your genetics. JMO . Cheers
Hi Michael,
The brood was arguably a short courser, because of her being by Premier Fantasy over Wheres Pedro. Two early paced speed demons. With Kuro Kismet bred 3x4 Bombastic Shiraz. It arguably added strength to the pedigree. Much as I mentioned in another topic with Big Flood from a 300m bitch, but the sire Banjo Boy carried renowned strength gene Flying Penske.
As for Fernando Bale, the pedigree can most certainly be explained and Graham has touched on it. I purchased a vial of Ballymac Eske for my bitch Pennybacker to breed the strength behind not only Fernando Bales pedigree, but the great Irish dog Pestana as well. Time will tell how I go with that.
Again, I tried to buy Nicki Fields from Darren Puleio, when she was only a TAB winner on 11/2/15 at 7.48pm. The substantial 5 figure offer wasnt enough to entice him to sell. However, Darren did ask me which sire to put Nicki Fields to and I recommended Barcia Bale. Barcia Bale only had his first crop racing and Fernando Bale was still racing in 2015! Two years later In 2017 Darren put Nicki Fields to Barcia Bale and Hooked On Scotch was the result!! BTW I have all the correspondence to prove what I just said!
With the right knowledge you most certainly can put the odds in your favour to breed and race great dogs!
Many winners!
Paul Dicks Australia (Verified User) Posts 10281 Dogs 120 / Races 252 20 Feb 2021 01:01
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Again you only have to go back one more generation to see the obvious gem in this breeding.
Hi Mick Too much Temlee blood for Graham. Damline heavily line bred to Temlee. Nine generations eight gen are Temlee sire strains, seven consecutive Temlee sire strains directly over damline ( bottom of pedigree)
https:/ CLICK HERE 5th dam a stayer (strength) your brood was a sprinter so you have lost a fair bit of strength past four generations ADB would like more Waverley Supreme sire strains in your pedigree, for example Regal Rocky, Rostered Off pedigrees. Both have intensity on 7th Generation by Fortress, Lauradella Fun, Waverley Supreme, Supreme Fun ALL LINED up 7th Generation. ( more than Temlee is on 7th gen) Yes the 2x3 of Bombastic is evident but the staying strength is from Hi There, Newdown Heather sireline. yes a very long way back. I think you will get speed but not strength. Out cross is required. Maintain Vigor is paramount in a damline. An outcross sire line directly over your damline is overdue.
Good luck Matt, sorry if my opinion is not what you wanted to hear. Just a Graham opinion
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Apr 2021 20:33
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Mick Thompson wrote:
Hi Graham i done this Cross your thoughts ? Now 9 weeks old & look stunners
Hi Mick Too much Temlee blood for Graham. Damline heavily line bred to Temlee. Nine generations eight gen are Temlee sire strains, seven consecutive Temlee sire strains directly over damline ( bottom of pedigree)
https:/ CLICK HERE 5th dam a stayer (strength) your brood was a sprinter so you have lost a fair bit of strength past four generations ADB would like more Waverley Supreme sire strains in your pedigree, for example Regal Rocky, Rostered Off pedigrees. Both have intensity on 7th Generation by Fortress, Lauradella Fun, Waverley Supreme, Supreme Fun ALL LINED up 7th Generation. ( more than Temlee is on 7th gen) Yes the 2x3 of Bombastic is evident but the staying strength is from Hi There, Newdown Heather sireline. yes a very long way back. I think you will get speed but not strength. Out cross is required. Maintain Vigor is paramount in a damline. An outcross sire line directly over your damline is overdue.
https:/ CLICK HERE Check the line ups on 7th generation Good luck Matt, sorry if my opinion is not what you wanted to hear. Just a Graham opinion
Graham Moscow Australia (Verified User) Posts 1186 Dogs 0 / Races 0 17 Apr 2021 20:41
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Graham Moscow wrote:
Graham Moscow wrote:
Mick Thompson wrote:
Hi Graham i done this Cross your thoughts ? Now 9 weeks old & look stunners
Hi Mick Too much Temlee blood for Graham. Damline heavily line bred to Temlee. Nine generations eight gen are Temlee sire strains, seven consecutive Temlee sire strains directly over damline ( bottom of pedigree)
https:/ CLICK HERE 5th dam a stayer (strength) your brood was a sprinter so you have lost a fair bit of strength past four generations ADB would like more Waverley Supreme sire strains in your pedigree, for example Regal Rocky, Rostered Off pedigrees. Both have intensity on 7th Generation by Fortress, Lauradella Fun, Waverley Supreme, Supreme Fun ALL LINED up 7th Generation. ( more than Temlee is on 7th gen) Yes the 2x3 of Bombastic is evident but the staying strength is from Hi There, Newdown Heather sireline. yes a very long way back. I think you will get speed but not strength. Out cross is required. Maintain Vigor is paramount in a damline. An outcross sire line directly over your damline is overdue.
https:/ CLICK HERE Check the line ups on 7th generation Good luck Matt, sorry if my opinion is not what you wanted to hear. Just a Graham opinion
https:/ CLICK HERE Check 7th Gen line ups. Alsmost a mirror image of Regal Rocky 7th Generation
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