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Looking for a sire for GRACE INTENTION page  1 2 3 

Ashley Paul Craven
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29 Dec 2020 04:48

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 Im a little bit stuck on a sire for Grace Intention. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.



Graham Moscow
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Ashley Paul Craven wrote:

Im a little bit stuck on a sire for Grace Intention. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Matt Griffiths
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29 Dec 2020 05:50

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Jakota Rohde
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Really really consider this mating. Magical bale is producing some absolute freaks over in Ireland!! From a family that matches just about any in the world with his dam throwing 8 group 1 dogs and 8 track records between them!

This mating would be something special.

Nifty niamh the dam of premier fantasy, is featured through the damline! So that cross is already great! But here is where it really kicks off!

The number 1 cross proven in not only America, but the world, and in particularly in Australia now, is that of Flying Penske and Kiowa sweet Trey!

You are bringing in Kiowa sweet trey through a boy, and Penske through a bitch!! Big tick!

3x3 of Brett lee even though its not sex balanced, still a big tick, and anything with a lot of Brett Lee, works great mixed with Irish bloodlines, already proven in Ireland with multiple group 1 winners!

You are also bringing in head honcho, which works well with any bloodline, but is proven with solve the puzzle and token prince!

Brett Lee, temlee, Tivoli chief, New Years, nifty niamh, are all around the 9-13% of bloodlines, and are nearly all perfectly balanced between mum and magical! Its a no brainer for me!

Your bitch could run sandown in not a slouch time of 29.78 or something around there, and damline further down, has already proven to throw staying blood, so to get a mad chaser into that staying blood will work great!

I did some research and if magical bale was something you wouldnt consider, then my bro fabio is easily your 2nd best choice.

2 dams back, a half sister to your grand dam (runner runner), threw a litter to where Pedro. It produced 1 group 1 winner and a group 2 winner, winner of 26 races.

Best breeding with something close to that, is my bro fabio.

You are getting a wheres pedro bitch, with dads line, being soaked in black Shiraz, head honcho. Which as I explained earlier, just works!!

Hope you choose a winner!




Trent Wrigley
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29 Dec 2020 06:20

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 I agree with jakota about the Penske Kiowa cross proven both ways throw there progeny Zambora for me u should consider CLICK HERE


Jakota Rohde
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 Hey Trent, I would agree on Brockie, however my preference would be with magical still. Only because you are splitting Kiowa sweet Trey and Flying Penske through a dog and a bitch, where as with Brockie, you are getting both through bitches. I know its only a small thing, but they are the little extras that might get you that freak!



Graham Moscow
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 Fernando Bale is proven over a Banjo Boy dam CLICK HERE
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Fernando unproven sons also worth considering especially Sennachie Whisky Riot


Ashley Paul Craven
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29 Dec 2020 06:45

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 lol Graham, even the Mrs told me Fernando Bale.

I decided to use my Fernando Bale straw on ROSE PETAL ZARR instead the other week.


Jakota Rohde
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29 Dec 2020 06:47

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 Was trying to help you choose a sire that didnt cost $7500 😂


Ashley Paul Craven
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29 Dec 2020 06:55

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 Thanks Jakota. I'll definitely look into using MB. Would be interesting to see if people would be interested in buying his pups. I usually sell first, then keep what don't sell.


Paul Dicks
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 Investing in a Fernando Bale FS is the best thing you could do IMO


Jakota Rohde
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PEDIGREE
Without doubt one of the best bred dogs ever to go to stud.
Zero Ten leading Irish Sire
Kiowa Sweet Trey No 1 US Sire 2007/2018
Airport Express National Track Record Holder, Dam of the Year 2006/2007
Razldazl Billy Irish Derby Winner
Sizzling Sarah (Best dam of the past 20 years) dam of Skywalker Logan Track Record Nottingham
Dam of Roxholme Magic - 7 Track Records
Brett Lee: One of the best ever Sires. No 1 Sire Worldwide
Nifty Niamh, dam of the great Premier Fantasy
Larkhill Jo, phenomenal Sire
PERFORMANCE

Runner Up Irish Derby Final 2018 5/2 Fav

4th English Derby Final 2019 (Unlucky) 11/10 Fav

Winner EEC Puppy Derby Towcester 20,000 to winner. Was unraced at start of Competition

Winner 18 top class races. Never ran a graded race 55% Win Ratio

Beat the best dogs in training including: 4 Derby Winners

Favourite English Derby Final. Favourite Irish Derby Final

2nd fastest time English Derby 29.14

3rd fastest Irish Derby 29.35

Best Winning Times: Shelbourne Park 550 Yds 1st, 29.35 1st 29.45 1st 29.46 1st 29.58

Towcester 500 meters: 1st 29.07 1st 29.10

Nottingham 500M 1st 29.14 1st 29.22 1st 29.30

(18.42 Trial Limerick)

Hey mate, just magical bales sires page for some info on family! Fernando bale is still a great option too lol


Ashley Paul Craven
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29 Dec 2020 07:40

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 Thanks Jakota. I wont be spending big bucks on a straw again. I have four kids to feed!


Jakota Rohde
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 Hey bud, there were only 20 something magical bale straws come Into australia, out of his 22 pups to race 17 have won races and thrown 2 stakes class dogs, and apparently to rubbish bitches! I bought a straw straight away to put aside for later! I would buy a pup



Trent Wrigley
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29 Dec 2020 09:54

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 Ashley other option which is another sire I see bright in the future with banjo bitches is Feral franky and his brother Good odds harada -//mogambo over skull ring line and bombastic shiraz has given Australian racing some outstanding animals to watch race. CLICK HERE So if U need speed or power U might find it with that family of racers


Ashley Paul Craven
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 Thanks Trent. I must admit Feral Franky was a dog I liked to watch. Definitely another sire worth considering.


Jakota Rohde
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 Hi Ashley, I sent you a private message! Just wanting to help out! Cheers


David Deguara
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29 Dec 2020 13:32

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 Fernando Bale looks the obvious choice but given your mentioned financial "constraints", I like the look of Mepunga Blazer - CLICK HERE

Two other dogs I like the look of are Zipping Garth, although unproven - CLICK HERE and Ritza Lenny - CLICK HERE




Graham Moscow
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29 Dec 2020 14:04

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 Magical Bale a top racer and a awesome pedigree but he first needs to at least produce a classic winner back home. Past decade or so we have seen very good UK sires struggle for success in Aust. Taylors Sky, College Causeway, Ballymac Vic, Milldean Panther, etc
Currently we have F Bale, Barcia Bale and their many sons at stud plus many good young sires coming through,

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COYS

Jakota If any Arsenal rats want to buy a Magical Bale straw, tell them to pee off or treble the price.



Andrew Varasdi
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 Hey Ash

For what it is worth my thoughts and options follow for consideration. As a general rule I believe that the introduction, where possible, of black shiraz back into the line is a very positive thing, so that does heavily influence the options I am suggesting.

Of the Barcia sons my preference for Banjo bitches (subject to individual dam lines) follows:

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He is already proven to Banjo bitches with a pup recently sold for $20,000 from a litter out of a bitch who was a solid 400m provincial bitch.

Whilst he doesn't offer black shiraz I do think this chap will make it and if you like it don't think you should hesitate.

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Your favourite son of Fernando would also be a good choice. This guy my preferred. You may prefer another.

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Sennachie also looks good and I love the primo uno cross he carries for a banjo bitch which I also think is gold. But my personal experience of Kinloch has not been great. He has cost me a fortune in pups for a zero result from I think 12 Kinloch pups I bought/bred/reared pre-trained so I am totally off him. he is a jinx for me. You may have had a different experience.

I like this guy a lot for your bitch too.

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And you could also strongly consider the following as he has merit as well IMO.

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I also really like this guy and think he is worthy for consideration. there is a 12 month old litter out of Banjo Queen by him and they are extremely keen in the bull ring and those with them are very very happy at this early stage. I actually forgot one of them is mine.

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If you could get a primo or turanza straw that would be gold.

this guy is extremely well bred and banjo did well to bitches with Molotov so I figure given breeding it is an option again for consideration.

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Then finally I really like this guy as an option. He brings in the black shiraz I like plus Kiowa which should add value given Penske in banjo line.

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If it helps I would avoid any sire with Penske in it as I personally don't like it crossed.

Just giving you options, avoiding the big priced sires. My normal process would now be to get the breeding theory of a Ryan or David and see which if these works by their formula's and make a final call.

Good luck hope my many options gives you something to consider. I beleive somewhere in this group is the magic formula.

For what it is worth I am using Zambora and Fernando for first litters from my two banjo bitches I am breeding with.



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