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Terry Hines
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This fellow is building an impressive record. https:/ CLICK HERE Group 2 Shepp cup winner in Tk record time. EXTERNAL LINK


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terrific win, track been pretty slick lately they still have same opportunitie to run fast time the 2nd dog was an enormous run as well


Mark William Claxton
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He is a potential super star stud dog imho, as nearly all dogs that have broken track records in major races over '450m' have been very successful at stud (ie "speed"). And as Rob Britton has recently highlighted, 'authorities' seem to be bent on producing extra fast racing surfaces and therefore these tracks are biased towards the leading dogs. Add on top of that, Ferdinand Boy's dam line is "potent".


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Ferdinand boy breaks first split record yesterday at Horsham 9.96. First ever dog to break the10.00 sec barrier.


Mark William Claxton
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I rest my case.


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0.15 outside the overall record.


Terry Hines
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mark william claxton wrote:

0.15 outside the overall record.

Yes agree


Terry Hines
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Winner Ballarat cup final ... thats 6 straight wins and Shep cup the month before ... Pace wins races ..... EXTERNAL LINK


Sandro Bechini
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09 Apr 2021 21:49


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He's a real speed dog, very reminiscent of dogs like Vee Man Vane, Knockabout Wok and Puzzle Prize


Ronald George Hunter
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09 Apr 2021 22:54


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Some prospect this dog, and the line is so potent.


Terry Hines
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He does it again ...another feature to his credit. EXTERNAL LINK


Mark William Claxton
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Sandro that statement 'ends' a "successful" stud career before it even starts.lol.


Terry Hines
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mark william claxton wrote:

Sandro that statement 'ends' a "successful" stud career before it even starts.lol.

Hey Mark, Sandro is Correct breeders dont tend to flock to sprinters, as Sandro pointed out, the other dogs mentioned didnt get many bitches either. Hey Ferdinand may get stronger later,So whole new ball game then. Ive just enjoyed watching and posting the sheer speed of the dog.


Sandro Bechini
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Terry Hines wrote:

mark william claxton wrote:

Sandro that statement 'ends' a "successful" stud career before it even starts.lol.

Hey Mark, Sandro is Correct breeders dont tend to flock to sprinters, as Sandro pointed out, the other dogs mentioned didnt get many bitches either. Hey Ferdinand may get stronger later, So whole new ball game then. Ive just enjoyed watching and posting the sheer speed of the dog.

Terry I love watching him too, he is a real excitement machine

Mark, I wasn't placing Ferdinand Boy in that category at all and good short course dogs don't always get the same amount and quality of bitches as good 500m dogs

However, I guess the question also has to be posed, is if we as breeders only ever use 500m sprinters as sires and not all 500m sprinters that have been given their chance with nice bitches make it at stud either;

Why then the bias against stayers and short course dogs when so few are used extensively?

PS I think Ferdinand Boy has the capability to stretch his speed to 500m, he showed plenty of guts to win The Horizon at Sale the other night



Mark William Claxton
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Terry my point was that the others he mentioned where not successful at stud. Ferdinand Boy, will be imho. He won't run equivalent time over 500 compared to 450. That a good thing though as speed is key.


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mark william claxton wrote:

Terry my point was that the others he mentioned where not successful at stud. Ferdinand Boy, will be imho. He won't run equivalent time over 500 compared to 450. That a good thing though as speed is key.

I was comparing their sheer speed

You are the one who drew in the Stud comparison


Mark William Claxton
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I am talking in general Sandro. My theories are based on extremely successful breeders like Allan Pringle & Dennis Reid etc. The concept of breeding with early speed (And i am not talking about box & go dogs). More so one turn dogs at tracks like the old Harold Park 457m, where not only get a good long run to first corner but dogs have to be strong on the long home straight.These dogs are more suitable for "strong" bitches that need some early speed & maybe are not 100%. But if you go the other way, the results more than not are not good. Based on this if I had a bitch that was a "good" chaser & quick early but not strong i would use a stayer. But issue is, if you put a "not 100%" chasing bitch to a stayer yes you increase your chances of stronger pups but in turn you are breeding stamina into pups. So therefore stamina = 'one paced'. So you possibly end up with one paced non chasers.


Steve Harvey
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I agree with all the posts here. He is such a great race dog & his pedigree certainly backs that up. How good is his close relation Koblenz performing as well. Trainer is doing a fine job indeed with this breed.


Bruce Teague
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No idea about breeding.

However, early speed has long been paramount for top racers - eg Head Honcho, Brett Lee onwards.

But there are mixtures .....

Some are good beginners because they jump well from a box.
Others are good beginners because they jump with them and then go like the wind. Their sectionals may well be similar.

Is this a function of a dog's (a) breeding (b) education (c) box draw? Needs well researched answers. NB Ferdinand does not always jump in front.

Leaders are more successful in both long and short races - ie they are not subject to interference (see, for example, both big races at MEA last night).

Mr Fix It succeeded because it consistently begins well. By comparison, Hooked on Scotch from the same 8 box never looked like justifying its silly short price in a big race at that track. He is/was moderate to risky at the jump.

My point is that while track records are broken reasonably often this is not nearly so common for 1st section records.

Secondly, wins are easier to come by when the chasing group are messed up - mostly as a result of the layout of the track or distance (although awkward dogs don't help).

Thirdly, don't do stuff like drop-in boxes near the rail as that fails the first test of any change - ie does it keep the runners further apart?


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How good is this fella ! What a durable superstar hard chaser he is. Won 40 odd from about 80 & last 8 in a row knocking off a few country cups along the way + the diamond final last night. Like father like son I reckon. Should throw great chasers if given a chance at stud.

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