Youd think his first 2 litters would be enough to be judged on ? Both city winners who broke 30 sec and one of them a proven brood producing a GRP finalists .
Both half sisters to GRP performers , can hardly be overlooked or excused as dont worry about those ones ?

3rd and 4th litters also city winners and proven broods and full or half sisters to GRP performers.

If it was any other Australian sire serving his first 4 litters to city winners and GRP relations, there would be no need to wait until your suggested 10th mating ?

Shane Stiff , take the guess work out of it when dealing with a 30-40k investment, unless you dont like money . Its not like his straws wont be around in 12 months for her 2nd litter

Her line breeding has worked many times to produce GRP performers to US lines before , let her lines breathe

Aussie infrared, you wont be disappointed

Good luck to all

His Aeroplane Indy mating has plenty to like about it as well. Compare the Droopys Jet (IRE) mating to the Fernando Bale mating - EXTERNAL LINK

Nice choice, Aussie does look good to Tania.

Now compare Fernando top 5 runners to Droopys jet top 5 runners

4 out of 5 are 300 mtr squibs out of 4000 offspring ?

Yes u can strike gold anywhere Darren , but playing stats and grading dogs etc , theres a clear and wide canal from over there to here .

No assumptions , just facts

Im starting to think youve been burnt by an import sire and are filthy on them? Of course, good old Fernando Bale is sired by a non-commercial completely unwanted import sire, whose whole backbone is Irish and UK blood. Thankfully PAW got a fantastic result from it, for you to jump up and down about Aussie Fernando.

Seriously Darren ??? Im starting to think youve gone around the bend !
Stick to the facts and results of the simple conversation ..
At present Droopys Sydney had a litter to a city winning bitch for a fail , 0 from 1
You came on and said judge him on a mating that is his 10th litter ?!?!?

I simply pointed out with the first 4 litters all too city winning broods and proven GRP broods , the judgment will be done well before your suggested idea ! Regardless of the mating . No presumptions there like u suggested

You then made comparisons between another Irish stud to a Brood that is his second litter in comparison to a Fernando litter .
I simply delved a little deeper then a one off gold strike and noticed that Irish stud dogs offspring have an undesirable trait of being short courses .
So instead of show boating one litter v another , I displayed the clear and obvious down fall of every Irish stud Ive seen in standing up on the world stage and delivering the same as their homeland

This has been my concern going off the last decade and the dozens of Irish studs that have flopped .

Instead of assuming I have been burnt by an overseas sire , false ! Stick to the facts at hand bud

Just because you and others have put your eggs in a certain basket , which is good ! Dont be biased or sugar coat a result due to personal investments due to wearing rose coloured glasses !

Again good-luck in future , Ill be the first to say well done if he throws city winners in his next 3 litters , which is what he has to do at present to be used by the majority of breeders aust wide . Other wise his story will be over before it starts and Ill be further consolidated that the Irish standard or quality is at a level far lower then ours and the US ,if a breeder asks or queries a potential mating , this is my advice and my learnings from not only myself but the best breeders in the game .

Simple

Absolute BS! You make it up as you go along! Howd Spiral Nikita, Premier Fantasy do out here, with all those undesirable squib traits. Westmead Hawk, even with his poor quality semen they sent out, still sired Group 1 winners - an absolute staying star a couple of years ago in Gypsy Wyong! As did Larkhill Jo (Paddys Flame) from a very limited shipment. Last decade or so, we havent seen much Irish semen out here.

You went and conveniently did a dodgy top data offspring and jumped at the top 5, because it suited your biased argument. Didnt bother to look at the superstar 500 dogs hes sired. Including an all time great in Susie Sapphire.

Spiral Nikita, Westmead hawk and co. Im pretty sure fall outside my comment of last DECADE Darren ?

Your not reading properly and clutching at straws ..and I myself have mentioned a respectful note to premier fantasy ?

You think we havent much of a shipment due to all the failings
I wont list the last ten flops , no need , your clearly not educated on all studs and have blinkers on

Good luck again bud .

Another Irish sire, only moderately successful in his homeland, with only 1 litter in Oz and hes not far off cracking the $100K mark, after a super Sandown 595m win in 34.00, last Thursday night, same Droopys Sporty dam line - https:/ CLICK HERE

Have an almost 12 month old litter - https:/ CLICK HERE

And a 7 month old litter - https:/ CLICK HERE

Were going to do a repeat with Frieda.

No guarantee's in breeding !

Djays Octane a revelation in the USA and a flop in AU !

Every time I hear the name Djays Octane my skin crawls and I get terrible flashbacks. I don't think Droopys Sydney will have the chase issues DO had.

If the proposed litter was linebred in x to a proven x path within 12 gens, it can be worth the risk. Alter all what other linebreeding is there from a pedigree and genetic perspective with outcrosses.

I'm not implying anything regarding Droopys Sydney, as you said he had one start. But an American dog that had 2 500m starts a week for 2 years straight there was probably an anti-inflammatory or arsenic/cobalt product involved at some point in time to keep them healthy