Hi Nathan, Merry xmas to You and yours too hope it was a good one. The ancestry loss is a mathematical calculation whereby every gen you go back you lose half the % . So with any dog you have its parents that make up 50% of his ped each. A gen further back you have his parents parents who make up 25% of the dogs parents each(4 dogs). A gen further back you have 8 dogs so that's 12.5% each, and so on and so forth. I don't see that as being of any major relevance. My percentages are different. You actually had it down pat in the 'Trends in Breeding' topic. So well done there. Nathan Bendeich wrote:
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grant thomas wrote:
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I'm not sure on the %'s and how this 88% thing works or find it ? But I'm pretty sure it does grant CLICK HERE |
So with what you were saying to Grant that coverage is actually 94% where the pedigrees of: Brother Fox covers 8 of the 16 lines 50% in West Cape's ped; Temlee covers 4 of the 16 lines 25% in West Cape's ped; The Smoother covers 2 of the 16 lines 12.5% in West Cape's ped; Spotted Lightning covers 1 of the 16 lines 6.25% in West Cape's ped. So when you add those % up the total is 93.75%(15 of 16 lines) rounded off becomes 94%. What this means is Cosmic Rumble's dam carries individuals that covers 94% West Cape's ped in the 5th gen, therefore I'm saying that Spiritual Rumble is re introducing an extremely high % of West Cape back into the the line that he was successful previously producing Paradox. It's basically what Tesio did except I can't remember what % he was after if any. I last read the book over 20 yrs ago. He may have wanted say 3 horses the sire carried for example to make up the sire that was previously successful with the line. I think when we spoke last I may have said he may have needed 75% or less, hence where the 26% comes into play - I can't exactly remember. With dogs I always was after a minimum of 87.5% (14 of 16 lines in the 5th gen) coverage from the sire of choices dam which is far more specific and created much better intensity or vigour within the pedigree. As compared to if those different individuals were anywhere in the sires pedigree. It's important to remember with racehorses they only have 1 foal where as with dogs there are many pups in a litter so the intensity you need with greyhound peds is far greater to try to breed a city conveyance.jmo. I bought another 50% share in pup recently just before the litter were sent to break in along the same lines as above, the sire was Dyna Villa and his Dam Roxio Bale covered No Intent's pedigree at 88% https:/ CLICK HERE in the 5th gen . No Intent was the sire of the WA GOTY Foolish Girl, also from the same damline. The litter was also in the x path to Lemon Soda whose first 11 litters with this cross in Aus thru litterm8's Curryhill Brute/Fox on either side of the ped produced 6 individual city winners in 6 of those 11 litters, which is a strike rate of approx 55%. The owners graciously offered me a 50% share in one of them. A pup in that Dyna Villa litter ran 15.68 first look at Richmond and another finished its breakin at McNamara's in 18.18 .........there's a long way to go for the litter as only 14mths of age and a lot can happen as you'd know, but if the nick works it can give you a real chance of competing at the highest level. Btw mine was over a second slower. lol. Another point is Chloe Allen (Fernando Bale's dam) covers No Intent at 88%(14 of 16 lines) too https:/ CLICK HERE in the 5th gen and has worked with the same line previously producing a dog that won almost $250k but before going to Fernando the breeder may for example want to see if the broodie cld throw. So the objective was probably achieved at a lot less cost using Dyna Villa yet by going to the same well. Now I'm in no way saying that Dyna Villa is a substitute for FB but in this case Dyna Villa may just have hopefully served his purpose. Keep in mind tho this intensity/ vigour is achieved thru a nick and not on the front page of a ped. Re 'the dead zone' I wldn't call it that as it's also a part of the ped. I prefer to call it a breeding parallel, which is vastly different to say copying a pedigree. Copying a pedigree of a champion dog will never get you better than that champion because the pedigree is different whereas going to the same well with a nick can create some terrific breeding parallels. Just a slight but very important distinction imo. Cheers and keep well.
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