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Robynne Black
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People need to be aware of what is going on , the UK have already brought this in that there is to be no more SURGICAL INSEMINATIONS ON DOGS.
Now NSW is hoping to push this through as well.
Here is an except of the proposed bill - submissions are now being taken.

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Animal Welfare Bill 2022 [NSW]
Part 3 Requirements for care of animals
19 Appropriate transport for horses
(1) Carrying or conveying a horse on a multi-deck vehicle is taken to be a failure to meet
the minimum care requirement that a horse be transported in an appropriate way.
(2) Subsection (1) does not limit
(a) the minimum care requirements for an animal under section 13, or
(b) the matters that must be taken into account under section 14 in deciding what
is appropriate for the purposes of a minimum care requirement for an animal.
Division 2 Standards
20 Requirement to comply with standards
(1) A responsible person for an animal in relation to which a prescribed standard applies
must comply with the standard.
Maximum penaltycategory 3 penalty.
(2) A responsible person for an animal does not commit an offence against this Act for
an act or omission in relation to the animal if the act or omission is in accordance with
a prescribed standard.
(3) In this section
prescribed standard means a standard prescribed by the regulations for the purposes
of this section.
21 Applying, adopting or incorporating standards
The regulations may apply, adopt or incorporate a standard as in force
(a) at a stated time, or
(b) from time to time.
Division 3 Prohibited and restricted procedures
22 Prohibited procedures
(1) A person must not carry out any of the following procedures
(a) tail nick a horse,
(b) grind, trim or clip the teeth of an alpaca, llama or sheep,
(c) hot iron brand the face of an animal,
(d) fire or thermocautery on an animal,
(e) surgical artificial insemination on a dog.
Maximum penaltycategory 2 penalty.
(2) In this section
clip means break off the crown of a tooth with pliers or another implement or tool
other than as part of a dental procedure carried out by a veterinary practitioner.
fire or thermocautery means apply a thermal stimulus to the leg of an animal with
the intention of causing tissue damage and the development of scar tissues around the
tendons and ligaments of the leg.
grind means grind down a tooth with an electric angle grinder or another tool or
implement other than as part of a dental procedure carried out by a veterinary
practitioner.
tail nick means cut the tail of a horse with the intention of causing the horse to carry
the tail high.



Nathan Bendeich
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I agree with it

Might not have some of the common problems occurring

Natural is best and you cant beat it

Hopefully they bring it in over a time period where Poeple who invested heavily can at least rightfully use their existing straws of course




Geoff Collins
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Thats garbage Nathan 22(e) is ridiculous .. good luck trying to get the sire of your choice if they implement that .. I first started working with Phil and Barb Pryor and Head Honcho around 1996/7 back in the days with no FS and natural services only .. and the phone would start ringing at 7am and not stop until after lunch on a good day one person got a service and everyone else missed out ... on a bad day everyone missed out.

Also good luck using a quality imported sire unless the dog comes out here thats if theres any racing left overseas as the same people looking at introducing this are working flat strap to stop footage of Aussie racing being sent to the USA i.e.: the Animal Justice Party

Those suggesting these rules have no idea how small and simple a FS surgical operation is if they are worried about invasive surgery they should look at elective ceasers 100 fold more invasive and far more damaging to the bitch


Mark Staines
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14 Jan 2022 07:20


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Way to many breeders are opting for caesars these days, caesars should be done out of necessity, not as a cop out !



Nathan Bendeich
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I get all angles pros and cons and the new ruling most probably isnt even about its stated reasoning

We arent silly

Im coming from a purely breeding prospective and results

4 litters in last 20 months all resulting in emergency surgery
Pups born with Tumours?

Either Im the most unlucky breeder in the world or theres something there
Im talking about the procedure of a mating only

Not the red tape that obviously would follow

Im not the only one thats had enough of poor results , and its coming from breeders just like yourself with equal experience

How many good stud masters would enable a bitch to even give birth to the pups with the correct service or know how

How many services are being performed with poor semen being placed in the egg
Def not the strongest making it in comparison to natural

Each to their own Geoff in terms of trying to achieve a strong and safe whelping

As for what follows in terms of making it all happen is anyones guess
But if it does , everyone will find a way if you want it that bad

Sire Diversity would Go through the roof is my guess

Sires would have to be bought internationally just like broods

I havent read all points Geoff , all would be rediculous no doubt , if and when naturals are available, Id take them any day over any straw is my thoughts , results and extremely poor experiences

Mark , breeders arent using cesareans as cop outs
They are using them as protection against poor results and and not going through what Ive been through 4 times in a row at 3am in the morning with another 4K outlay each time and near losing your brood and pups ???
Can u seriously blame them

Complete nightmare and wouldnt wish it upon anyone


Russ Forno
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14 Jan 2022 08:20


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WHAT!!! So dopey women can't get Botox injections, breast implants, or have their rice pudding ironed out??? Or booking in at a certain date for a caesarean section because childbirth is a bit uncomfortable. The author of that bill, you will find, is an avowed fat ankled, overall wearing , GREENIE..



Nathan Trigg
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I may be looking at this with tunnel vision, however at a glance it looks like another easy back door attempt to use this bill as an opportunity to slow the industry.



Colin Bermingham
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14 Jan 2022 19:59


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Thats exactly what it is Nathan ever since the greyhound ban debacle and the ensuing political fallout sections of NSW government have been looking to Close the industry down thru the back door, certain early appointments at GWIC a prime example. If not for the likes of Tony Mestrov and Co pushing hard for the industry it could easily have gone down that path
No doubt they would privately be boiling looking at the progress the industry has made in recent years and will stop at nothing to try and cut us down again


Robert Conway
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14 Jan 2022 20:36


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geoff is correct.
also i know people that breed a lot and regardless do a ceaser as don't want the hassle of whelping.i think vets love these people


Sandro Bechini
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Nathan Trigg wrote:

I may be looking at this with tunnel vision, however at a glance it looks like another easy back door attempt to use this bill as an opportunity to slow the industry.

You are right and may be deemed cynical, but it is a back handed attempt to block the industry's progress

Our Animal Welfare Committee at GWIC which unfortunately includes a DPI rep needs to grow a set of balls and put a stop to it

Genuine breeders in our industry plan mating's well ahead and purchase vials of frozen semen for their current broods and the daughters of their current broodbitches to optimize their lines in the event that those sires die or are no longer available when their future brood is ready

However, the real issue is the complete ban on surgical implants over TCI

A compromise could be that only 26 vials a month are allowed to be frozen and the other 26 services per quarter could be natural and surgical implants should be allowed for sires that are domiciled overseas and not physically available here

The AJP and its supporters are not interested in the breed at all

They are only interested in dominating the procedures with the aim of slowing down and eventually stopping greyhound racing and breeding as we know it.

They program changes without any regard to science or modern animal husbandry and without any knowledge of the issues involved and their agenda is fully revealed with the insertion of 22(e).

As far as whelping is concerned I have found that a planned caesarian is a far more safer outcome for the bitch and her pups.

I have lost a lot of pups and also nearly lost a broodbitch due to whelpers insistence of persisting with a natural birth.

That issue is a different welfare argument on its own, as it is far more invasive than a small incision to insert thawed frozen semen.

All our bodies and especially GA need to fight this



Paul Dicks
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sadly the Greyhound industry is doomed. I give it a couple of decades before the lefties have their way.



Robynne Black
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Interesting comments .

Whilst I feel that FSI is not perfect I was a show breeder for many years prior to breeding Greyhounds.
I also whelped hundreds of litters of all breeds for other show breeders during this time.

Natural matings bring huge risks , FAR HIGHER THAN FSI infections being possibly the biggest risk and I've seen so many horrific endings.

The stud and bitch can carry disease or infections that can not only compromise the intended litter but can compromise the stud and bitch for future breedings.

Also people feel more is better , but in reality LESS is better - more matings increase the chance of infections and the chance of less puppies.

I do believe the Industry is too free on straw splits , if you buy a service you should buy THE service not a split which can be extended over and over.

The bitch decides the amount of puppies born - HOWEVER in saying that you want the full ejaculate to ensure you cover each fertile egg.

FSI does not increase the risk of deformaties or c sections - although in saying that the Vets performing should open the bitch as the dog would.

The activists / greens ARE trying to kill the Industry there is absolutely no doubts there - and if you let it happen it will happen

The costs of stud fees will go up tenfold as will the cost of puppies.
Its not going to be worth doing either.

Stand up and have your say now or this bill will slip through and be the silent assasin like is now currently being felt in the UK.




Gavin William Lowe
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Well it certainly obvious why NSW greyhounds would not create a breeding incentive scheme. Run by those who want greyhounds in NSW GONE


Edward (Ted) Howard
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Nathan with frozen implant I have never had a miss I think it all comes down to care of the bitch all year round not just while she is in pup and I am not having a go at you but dont agree with your comment. My last two litters are 13 and 12 all healthy. Cheers Ted.



Nathan Bendeich
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I havent had a miss either mate
Im not talking about anything else other then the fact that straws cant gaurentee the strongest semen Over the egg And AI doesnt prepare a brood for the whelping of the litter in comparison to a natural mating in the breaking of the Bitch and opening her

Thats all Ive said , nothing more nothing less , if your disagreeing with either of those statements I cant help you

Cheers


Geoff Collins
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Nathan thats not correct

Getting to the egg is only part of the process .. once there, the sperm has to break through a group of cells that surround the egg and then break through the eggs outer membrane. Only one sperm can get in. Once in, it goes looking for the eggs nucleus and then shares its genetic material from its nucleus.

For semen delivered by FSI .. that process comes after being frozen at -90C .. then -190C .. stored at that temperature for an unspecified period then thawed out and woken up at body temperature .. then injected in to the horns of the uterus.

Only the strongest survive the freezing process and only the strongest are then capable of penetrating the egg. Weak semen cannot penetrate the egg ... either frozen or fresh.



Nathan Bendeich
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Thanks Geoff

I was under the impression and been explained that all AI processes would have have made it easier for all semen in the package to be covered over the egg
Hence maximising?

I wasnt aware all weak semen died in FSI and only strong made it

A lot of Poeple dont

Cheers for info in regards to semen quality and or volume splits





Robynne Black
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Edward (Ted) Howard wrote:

Nathan with frozen implant I have never had a miss I think it all comes down to care of the bitch all year round not just while she is in pup and I am not having a go at you but dont agree with your comment. My last two litters are 13 and 12 all healthy. Cheers Ted.

I have not had any misses either. My latest breeding was an 8 year old Maiden bitch that whelped 11 pups in 4 hours. I planned this so many months in advance / got her fit and gave her every chance to produce a litter in prime health and condition. Including all the Vitamins ect needed. Yes you can jag a big litter with "luck" but in reality everything needs to fall into place.
As I said there is too much freedom in that you can only buy a straw of an ejaculate - a miss can be a loss of more than a year in most cases so this should not be taken lightly.
The Industry needs to step up and fight for what is right for not only the Industry but for our Breeders !!




Robynne Black
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Geoff Collins wrote:

Nathan thats not correct

Getting to the egg is only part of the process .. once there, the sperm has to break through a group of cells that surround the egg and then break through the eggs outer membrane. Only one sperm can get in. Once in, it goes looking for the eggs nucleus and then shares its genetic material from its nucleus.

For semen delivered by FSI .. that process comes after being frozen at -90C .. then -190C .. stored at that temperature for an unspecified period then thawed out and woken up at body temperature .. then injected in to the horns of the uterus.

Only the strongest survive the freezing process and only the strongest are then capable of penetrating the egg. Weak semen cannot penetrate the egg ... either frozen or fresh.

This is only the start of the process, there are MANY factors that encourage the best viable fetuses once the eggs are fertilised.
I personally only use Vets that are trained in the Camelot Freezing/thawing Method.
The strongest can become the weakest for many different factors during the development within the uterine horns and the placement of embryo within the horns .
Owner error can account for so many problems as can placement of the embryos within the horns.

Nothing is guaranteed



Rod Strachan
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Gavin William Lowe wrote:

Well it certainly obvious why NSW greyhounds would not create a breeding incentive scheme. Run by those who want greyhounds in NSW GONE

Gavin we had one years ago called Blue Paws....

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