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The right sire for this girl?page  1 2 

Kevin Martin
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Yaakov Rishon wrote:

Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Michael,

So your advising Yaakov to disregard his previous success in breeding a litter https:/ CLICK HERE that any breeder wld be proud to breed, which included an original and very unique LoF nick, and p155 into the wind all over again as if the breeding knowledge gained from that litter never counted for anything?

Just to be clear Ryan, the reason behind that mating was first and foremost because of the bitch. She was a terrible performer on the track but she had something that I really liked about her.
This bitch is the same. She has something...........
So just like with Reeta, I start from that point and then look for the right sire.
And I think the one you put up is exactly what I'm looking for. You know I love those types of matings.
Allen Deed is also ticking boxes. Not sure if he was relaxed or a meathead though?

who bred that litter you or Jamie Quinlivan



Yaakov Rishon
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Same person with a different name Kev.



Jack Ogilvie
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Hi mate check out Sennachie. Some great crosses there.
Cheers jack.


Yaakov Rishon
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Sandro Bechini wrote:

Fair enough

Unleash Collinda may be a nice choice for you then, given your parameters

https:/ CLICK HERE

I like that a lot.
His brother was the better dog though.



Matt Griffiths
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21 Mar 2024 05:17


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Jack Ogilvie wrote:

Hi mate check out Sennachie. Some great crosses there.
Cheers jack.

And Sennachie is known for his very calm temperament. Probably a very suitable sire for this particular girl


Michael Fitzgerald
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As Rampaging Roy Slaven and H.G.Nelson would say, "when too much purple is barely enough".

https:/ CLICK HERE

There's a fairly astute fella on this forum who might know a thing or two about the sire's offspring.

Direct dam line of Tommy Shelby and Jungle Deuce hereunder;

https:/ CLICK HERE




Yaakov Rishon
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:

As Rampaging Roy Slaven and H.G.Nelson would say, "when too much purple is barely enough".

https:/ CLICK HERE

There's a fairly astute fella on this forum who might know a thing or two about the sire's offspring.

I'm a big fan of the purple and I did look at him when Ryan put up Mepunga Shine. $3300 scares me but it is nice.

Jack and Matt, I'm not really a fan of Sennachie. Don't know why. I will have a closer look.

Anyway I might even throw a goanna in the chookhouse and use my own boy.



Michael Fitzgerald
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Well.... if Sandro's girl wasn't so good, he'd be about a grand cheaper.

Maybe you could get SB to chip in???


Yaakov Rishon
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:

Well.... if Sandro's girl wasn't so good, he'd be about a grand cheaper.

Maybe you could get SB to chip in???

I'm sure he's saving his cookies for his own breeding program.




Nathan Bendeich
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Ryan Vanderwert wrote:

Nathan Bendeich wrote:

.....On a serious note what was that mating you did Yaakov with light of fire Nick to a standard bitch , can you post it here , I have a theory that relates to both matings is all which includes a debate on reasons for possible sire direction now

Cheers

Possibly

https:/ CLICK HERE

with this being the LoF nick https:/ CLICK HERE

and;

https:/ CLICK HERE

Similar LoF nick https:/ CLICK HERE with Princess Diro also cross duplicated in the blood quota table below.

I'd like to hear your theory Nathan if you cld be so kind ? Cheers.

Sorry fellas , been flat out and now too beat to go through in numbers and matings and nicks precisely, but off the top of my head and the matings you displayed Ryan , cheers for that bud ! I noticed they were what I would call a single high intensity Nick as apposed to 3-4 nicks or duplications reinforcing what has already made her what she is now !

All cards on the the table and no disrespect ! She might well be very special to what only an owner will pick up on , but in stats to public she is your standard race Bitch .

You and all of us are after that something special , breeding is breeding and anything can happen of course , but if the norm eventuates and follows siut , why reintroduce large volumes or portions of her genetic make up that has eventuated in her , standard ?

I would follow siut to what has worked for you before and go for the one Nick at an extreme intensity as possible and hope its catches and the new larger portion of fresh lines allows it to breathe and create something different to what she is ! Same as Rustic Reeta results .

The Nick I would chase that has worked many times to your damline is the Gold rush bale cross . GRP many times over !

The mating I displayed has 2 outcrosses not in x which helps in new lines and focusses on the one Nick I would chase at 100%

https:/ CLICK HERE
Both in x

Obviously he isnt a stud dog yet , its more the objective of lines and theory I would go

Well done on past matings and good luck in future with your girl regardless !

What we would know ??? Youve smashed it before on your own !

Ps . You dont like sennachie coz his breeding is soft , and so are his pups ! Your hunch is correct , stick with it !
Anyone who posts his GRP winners Im not interested, You arent watching the butterfly chasers or worse , not acknowledging them against your own blind sightedness

Pss. Allen deeds personality is as mad as a cut snake ! One word .. Alpha



Ryan Vanderwert
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Fair point about breeding similar to the mother Nathan, however you do get 4 doses of Tangaloa through different individuals, without going through them with a fine tooth comb which you'd need to do before proceeding Yaakov. The 4 doses of Tangaloa through different individuals may be a rareity in itself, also I dont mind that intensity if its within the first 3 gens in the ped even if they aren't anything special on the track.

Your point re 100% intensity through littermates is also valid but once again not as clear cut as Yachi Bale https:/ CLICK HERE and Stanley Road https:/ CLICK HERE in that the positioning with these dogs is paramount with their sires immediate dams nicking with a sire that's nicked with the broods damline :

For Yachi the 100% nick between littermates becomes https:/ CLICK HERE .

For Stanley Road the 100% nick between littermates becomes https:/ CLICK HERE .

Now for your suggested mating https:/ CLICK HERE you would have to flip the ped first to get the nick in the same format i.e. in this case the sires immediate grandam nicking with a sire that's nicked with the broods damline https:/ CLICK HERE to get the littermates through different individuals AND get the 100% .
Where as if you look at the the nick in a normal manner you get https:/ CLICK HERE i.e. the littermates but not the 100% intensity.

The flipped ped which gives up the 100% intensity thru littermates Barcia and Desalle is still ok and may give up a top dog, but it's not quite Yachi or Stanley intensity and it's one gen further back. The devil is always in the detail. Cheers.



Nathan Bendeich
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Love your work Ryan , as a POTENTIAL collective coz we will never know the sister / brother Nick ? balanced and in x ! , I believe has equal if not more potential at 25% then yachi bales Nick thru Goldrush bale Nick 18.8 % not balanced !

The goldrush bale herself placement yes is further back , but its the carriers barcia / Desalle both in x 3x3 is what Im after with 2 doses of outcross to counter balance it with luck and flood her damline with only the one cross that has produced GRP before leaving her dam line UN-linebred

The only breeding parallels I would take from the yatchi litter is the use of the double outcross duplication , they are duplicating everywhere as each brood in its own right or whole litter was handy ! Why wouldnt you keep cooking with the same oil ?

His bitch needs fresh oil and not as much duplication imop

Thats me theory anyhow , love your wizardry Ryan and equally my madness !



Yaakov Rishon
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Ps . You dont like sennachie coz his breeding is soft , and so are his pups ! Your hunch is correct , stick with it !
Anyone who posts his GRP winners Im not interested, You arent watching the butterfly chasers or worse , not acknowledging them against your own blind sightedness

Pss. Allen deeds personality is as mad as a cut snake ! One word .. Alpha

Thank you for that.
I wasn't aware of Allen Deeds personality so that would produce nightmares.
As for Sennachie, yeah it could be a 'Sons of Fernando' thing that I'm not big on, although yes their are exceptions as you said.
I think a son or grandson of Barcia is where I'm looking now.

The other MASSIVE part in my choice is I wont be selling any so I dont need to choose a sire based on marketing. And that may also influence my choice to use my own dog, although not sure about the doubling up of KC&A



Michael Fitzgerald
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You thinking this way, Yaakov?

https:/ CLICK HERE


Yaakov Rishon
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:

You thinking this way, Yaakov?

https:/ CLICK HERE

No mate, I would have loved to have got a few straws from him but not to be.
I've got a young bloke who can run a bit.



Matt Griffiths
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Yaakov Rishon wrote:

Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Ps . You dont like sennachie coz his breeding is soft , and so are his pups ! Your hunch is correct , stick with it !
Anyone who posts his GRP winners Im not interested, You arent watching the butterfly chasers or worse , not acknowledging them against your own blind sightedness

Pss. Allen deeds personality is as mad as a cut snake ! One word .. Alpha

Thank you for that.
I wasn't aware of Allen Deeds personality so that would produce nightmares.
As for Sennachie, yeah it could be a 'Sons of Fernando' thing that I'm not big on, although yes their are exceptions as you said.
I think a son or grandson of Barcia is where I'm looking now.

The other MASSIVE part in my choice is I wont be selling any so I dont need to choose a sire based on marketing. And that may also influence my choice to use my own dog, although not sure about the doubling up of KC&A

Sennachie fits the bill spot on as far as calm/sensible goes, but if you're not a fan of his that's completely understandable

As far as barcia bale sons/grandsons go that are producing as a rule sensible pups Shima Shine followed by possibly Aston Rupee/Fastnet



Ryan Vanderwert
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Nathan Bendeich wrote:

Love your work Ryan , as a POTENTIAL collective coz we will never know the sister / brother Nick ? balanced and in x ! , I believe has equal if not more potential at 25% then yachi bales Nick thru Goldrush bale Nick 18.8 % not balanced !

The goldrush bale herself placement yes is further back , but its the carriers barcia / Desalle both in x 3x3 is what Im after with 2 doses of outcross to counter balance it with luck and flood her damline with only the one cross that has produced GRP before leaving her dam line UN-linebred

The only breeding parallels I would take from the yatchi litter is the use of the double outcross duplication , they are duplicating everywhere as each brood in its own right or whole litter was handy ! Why wouldnt you keep cooking with the same oil ?

His bitch needs fresh oil and not as much duplication imop

Thats me theory anyhow , love your wizardry Ryan and equally my madness !

I'll have a look and try to understand when I get a little more time. Thx for that. Cheers.

P.S. no wizardary Nathan just trying to always match the sires, grandsires, great grandsires damlines with a sire that was successful with the broods damline, therefore maintaining consistency and not reinventing the wheel.



Nathan Bendeich
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Well thats one way of receiving a compliment!?!? Lmao.

Ps . My selection took another correct step towards greatness and my predicted stud duties with another slashing run in the city !

EXTERNAL LINK

Pss. Yaakov I understand what you are saying , I just hope you understand your liking and aim if taken that way thru a grandson or son of Barcia , it wont be in x , yet mine is .
Does it matter ?? Maybe it does maybe it doesnt , atleast being in x but you know youve crossed it in its most prime potential position . Wouldnt this be the objective ?

The double KC wouldnt bother me either , its not in x serving as a random gene line exactly how they did for yachi bale with Sonic flight . Except I would rate KC s achievements in aus over a short period as nothing less then unbelievable !

Probably the reason his straws would be worth over 30k if put on market .

https:/ CLICK HERE
Not a bad template to follow !

Sister / brother in x Nick with a double outcross not in x and a damline left un- linebred at face value

Good luck all




Ben Weidenbach
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I'll just put my 2 cents worth in now

https:/ CLICK HERE


Yaakov Rishon
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Ben Weidenbach wrote:

I'll just put my 2 cents worth in now

https:/ CLICK HERE

How's his temperament Ben?

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